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AegisP Since: Oct, 2014
2021-01-31 16:08:15

Bump.

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Mimic1990 Since: Oct, 2016
2021-01-31 16:10:31

I think part of the issue here is the question of whether the twitter account is the actual developers.

A lot of companies like this hire other people to handle their social media accounts. So the question is, was it the creators themselves teasing? Or was it a hired PR guy?

DanteVin Since: Jul, 2016
2021-01-31 18:35:22

IIRC, nothing said that those who handle the two games' official Twitter accounts are the devs themselves, so it's probably the PR guys working for the same company that made those games. Fellow Genshin troper coconutkirin might have a point because even if the Twitter guys used the company's official accounts, we don't know their position within the company.

Problem is, I looked at several other pre-existing Teasing Creator example sources on this website (including the ones I mentioned above), and some of them also don't specifically mention who's behind the social media accounts and what their positions are. Some of them are generally referring to the company as a whole (Trivia.Gotham Knights, Trivia.Banjo Kazooie, Trivia.Mass Effect, Trivia.Minecraft, the Red vs. Blue example from the trope page, etc.), while some do source the "PR guys" (e.g the January 2018 Nintendo Tweet from the trope page).

I just thought maybe the Genshin example counts since there are other examples of the "Creator" tropes within the same context (people working for the company are using the company's name/official social media accounts, then their posts are used as a source regardless of who posted those). But given coconutkirin's edit reason, it looks like the authenticity of using social media accounts as the source of "Creator" tropes sounds YMMV/debatable depending on the troper? I'm just confused because this is a Trivia trope and it has a linked source/evidence to an official account.

Edited by DanteVin With Great Power, Comes Great Motivation
Mimic1990 Since: Oct, 2016
2021-01-31 19:20:34

So, one important thing here...

This is a wiki. It can be edited by anybody with an account, the only requirement is a valid e-mail address. So people sometimes make bad edits. Sometimes those edits don't get removed... and it's not because they're okay, it's because no one has noticed them and taken the time to remove them.

The point is... precedent means nothing here. Saying "well, this other example is the same as mine..." doesn't mean that yours or theirs are good.

Now, to make it clear, I'm not saying you're definitely wrong. I honestly don't know if the twitter account you referenced is run by an actual dev or just some PR person... or if that even matters, or if this other editor was acting in good faith or what. I'm just saying, pointing to other examples to prove that your example is good doesn't work.

Edited by Mimic1990
Synchronicity MOD (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2021-01-31 21:12:30

I don't see why Twitter wouldn't be a legit source provided whoever is Tweeting is verifiably a creator.

FWIW regarding the cited examples: Direct is a publicity event, so social media falls under this purview and the people who run these accounts can be considered 'creators'. But I would not consider the Nintendo Twitter account shitposting 'specifics' about the next Zelda game an example of Teasing Creator for the aforementioned reason of "the social media folks are not directly involved in the game". The MLP would also be a legit example were it less general/had more citations, because a storyboarder/animator/writer would absolutely be an example of Teasing Creator. But that situation vs. this is apples to oranges.

Edited by Synchronicity
coconutkirin Since: Dec, 2020
2021-02-01 00:09:08

Admittedly I may have been a bit presumptuous regarding the edit, and it's proven that there are other examples of Teasing Creator that use social media account of the works. But whether they're legit examples or not, it's what's being discussed here, right?

I'm still in the stance that "they aren't legit", but I think this would require a discussion for more people to decide. But ~Synchronicity has a point that it'd be okay if whoever is tweeting is indeed a creator (I'm thinking of, say, Hideki Kamiya's twitter instead of Platinum Games' twitter for example).

crazysamaritan MOD Since: Apr, 2010
2021-02-01 10:25:22

I think the broader question is more "Does Word of Saint Paul count for Trolling Creator?", which I would answer in the affirmative. Word of Dante isn't enough, but anyone connected to the work who teases/trolls the fans would contribute to fueling fan speculation.

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DanteVin Since: Jul, 2016
2021-02-02 08:00:13

Ah well, I'll understand if the Trivia.Genshin Impact edit won't be restored for now.

From where this discussion is going, it looks like it's better to cite specific individuals/employees' accounts than the general/company accounts within the context of creators posting on social media especially if they're doing it for fun with the fans.

Although what I can understand from Synchron's Nintendo Direct reply is that "publicity events" (such as videos, livestreams and announcements) are even more valid Teasing Creator sources than a single Tweet? I'm fine with it if that's the case.

I just have a habit of looking at precedent examples before I add a similar trope example to a page, but it looks like I'll have to double-check that habit for now, depending on the context. Checking the validity of other pre-existing examples looks more complicated and more time-consuming than I thought.

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