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fishysaur Since: May, 2018
2021-01-13 06:48:22

Man, I'm here, just PM me so we can discuss it, seriously

There isn't an impossible dream, there are only people who give up
mightymewtron Since: Oct, 2012
2021-01-13 09:25:36

Not familiar with the show but Mis-blamed sounds like misuse. That's when the wrong person is blamed for something behind the scenes, not the wrong controversy or something else nontangible.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
fishysaur Since: May, 2018
2021-01-13 10:07:02

That's what I told Maximum some months ago, when he suggested said entry and, considering all of his entries on the series are bashing (I didn't delete his examples that somewhat fitted the trope and seemed valid points), the misblamed entry sounded like an excuse to complain about those who liked the series (which was extremely popular in the west)

Edited by fishysaur There isn't an impossible dream, there are only people who give up
MaximumBurnination Since: Jul, 2019
2021-01-13 12:32:55

The last time I tried talking to you, you ignored what I had to say. Why should I believe things will be any different this time?

  • "all of his entries on the series are bashing" - You just dismissed my perspective wholesale right there.
  • "extremely popular in the west" - That's Fan Myopia if I've ever heard it. The series was popular on YouTube and Twitter, to be sure, but it's still pretty obscure overall since it was Cut Short and didn't get an anime adaptation.

🏳 I'm not doing this anymore. You've made it clear that you intend to keep policing the page for the foreseeable future, nobody else is going to step in to mediate, and this sort of thing is just too mentally draining for me. You left some of my entries alone, and we've avoided the page needing to be removed again, I can be content with that.

Edited by MaximumBurnination
fishysaur Since: May, 2018
2021-01-13 13:34:38

Last time you talked to me, it was in the discussion page (and everyone can see it) where I replied to you, until you showed quite a bit of extreme obsession against the series, which sincerely worried me. Also, with "extremely popular", I mean among those in the weast who read WSJ on Mangaplus, which yeah is a relatively small pool among the entire population but I did see that in general those who read the series really liked it.

I'm seriously not policying anything or dismissing you perspective, really, it's just that the last entires you made weren't valid examples or simply didn't fit the trope (the one I "left alone" where valid ones)

Edited by fishysaur There isn't an impossible dream, there are only people who give up
mightymewtron Since: Oct, 2012
2021-01-13 14:01:54

If you guys really want an outsider opinion, Maximum did come across as a bit rude on the discussion page:

"Actually, on second thought, forget it. Nobody's going to remember this series in a year anyway. Go ahead and give it as much benefit of the doubt as you wish, I have energy to expend elsewhere."

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
MaximumBurnination Since: Jul, 2019
2021-01-13 14:11:59

Pardon, I'm obsessed? I was going to drop it completely right there, and only changed my mind months later because people were still talking about it. I thought you would have moved on by then, but here you are still watching the page like a hawk.

The reason I made such a long and detailed reply was to counter your claim (that the series changes status quo every chapter) in what I thought at the time would be the most effective way. Going in-depth, citing specific examples, directly using the series as a reference. I'm not sure how you interpreted that as obsession, but I find it concerning.

And just how was the second They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot not valid? I don't buy that the series couldn't have done something with the non-White Knight portions of the future Jump issues within fifteen chapters. Like I said, the author comments could have been used to foreshadow Aino's death. By the fifteenth chapter of Black Clover, Asta had joined the Black Bulls, saved a village, gotten the first magic stone, and begun exploring the dungeon. Saying the example was "pretending to do things a Cut Short series couldn't have done" just sounds like you're making excuses for the series.

It's a similar thing with Broken Aesop. "It's impossible to create a manga the whole world can enjoy", in other words, "you can't please everyone", that was literally the message Teppei gave to Aino in the final serialized chapter. I don't know what else to tell you. Go back and read it for yourself, it's in there.

MaximumBurnination Since: Jul, 2019
2021-01-13 14:13:52

Indeed, mightymewtron. I really could have conducted myself better. I could conduct myself better in general.

Edited by MaximumBurnination
fishysaur Since: May, 2018
2021-01-13 14:26:58

Yeah a third party is always better

Well, I wasn't watching the page, I just happened to visit it one day and found many entries that didn't seem to fit. Then I noticed you haven't moved on after months (that was what I thought, I didn't know the reason of course) and so corrected, and then checked the page again a few weeks later

Well, again, the fact you went such a great length for a single entry regarding a small series is a bit obsessive to me, though sorry for not having replied, that was very rude from me, or at least disrespectful toward your effort.

Now, on the entries:

  • Misblamed: as I said in the discussion months ago, it's a misuse, and so said the other troper

  • the wasted a perfect plot might be the only one valid, though it's a pretty big stretch because, as I said, it's a plot that didn't start, it's like complaining that Lion King dropped a plot about herbivores protesting against lions. It could've started; also, it's a criticism I personally didn't see from anyone else, unlike the other two entries. Plus there's the issue that halfway through the author was really forced to speed up even more cuz it was risking cancellation, so it's pretending a lot. Still, if you really really want it, it's a big stretch but can be put, maybe along with the "how a manga works" plot, which is the one that has actually been dropped and in which I saw actual criticism

Btw, Black Clover is a manga known for being extremely fast-paced, so it's not the best example as a comparison

  • The Broken aesop entry is that the aesop of the series (not the one Teppei gives to Aino) is that one shouldn't kill herself solely for the sake of making "the ultimate manga", but instead making a manga should be something fun and entertaining, not that "it's impossible to make the perfect manga" (although a it can be an Accidental Aesop: "you can't make the perfect manga without killing yourself")

Also, said entry was extremely long and, as it happens with most lenghty critic entries, it devolved a into complaint (and I know it because I used to make similar entries)

See? It isn't hard to discuss :)

I'll wait for your reply

Edited by fishysaur There isn't an impossible dream, there are only people who give up
MaximumBurnination Since: Jul, 2019
2021-01-13 14:46:25

So, a big part of this was a misunderstanding. This sort of thing keeps happening to me on wikis. Thanks for the explanation, I don't even mind that it sounded a bit condescending.

I'm just going to make good on my earlier reply (the one with the flag 🏳) and quit. You hold me to this, and if I ever change my mind, don't let me hear the end of it.

fishysaur Since: May, 2018
2021-01-13 14:51:32

Oh, sorry if it sounded condescending, it wasn't my intention. I just wanted to explain better my reasons

And yes, unfortunately misunderstandings happen too often

There isn't an impossible dream, there are only people who give up
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