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bwburke94 (Y2: Electric Boogaloo)
2020-12-28 00:12:38

It's incidental to the example, but it does belong.

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RacattackForce (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2020-12-28 09:42:36

I don't feel like you made a mistake here. Like bwburke94 said, it's incidental to the example, but I'm also of the mindset that it counts as a Mythology Gag. Smash Bros. isn't the same game series as Final Fantasy or Street Fighter, so saying certain character moves aren't references to their home franchises seems odd to me.

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Serac (Troper Knight)
2020-12-28 09:55:45

I could understand the misuse claim if it was something ridiculous like saying that Ike's Aether attack is a reference to a Minecraft mod, but if it's just "Final Fantasy character has an attack named for its appearance in a Final Fantasy spinoff game", that's completely valid.

Freecom Since: Aug, 2011
2020-12-28 15:53:32

alright, so how do i address this without making it look like i'm edit warring?

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MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
2020-12-28 15:59:58

I think that the person who removed it is confusing it with Shout-Out. Anyway, you just link to this thread when you re-add it.

homogenized Since: Oct, 2009
2020-12-28 17:20:05

As the one who removed it, I concede to consensus, though I want to explain my reasoning at least.

I did check the definition to be sure before removal, and I interpreted the bit I removed as "move was first given a name in a spinoff game" which I believed to not be a reference to or gag about the Sephiroth's previous appearances or his game's development, just simply what the move is called (ever since it was given a name); which is why I likened it to calling Ken's throw move being named Hell Wheel a Mythology Gag.

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RallyBot2 (Elder Troper)
2020-12-28 18:48:46

Right. If it were simply "this move has the same name as in DFF" it wouldn't be a Mythology Gag, but the gag is not solely about the move's existence.

homogenized Since: Oct, 2009
2020-12-28 18:59:04

^ Is that for or against putting the bolded part back? I'm not really sure.

Excessive-Menace (Fifth Year at Tropey's)
2020-12-28 20:38:57

I think the move being a reference to Aerith's death is a Mythology Gag, but being named Hell's Gate isn't. I believe that Rally is okay with not putting back the bolded part.

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Freecom Since: Aug, 2011
2020-12-29 18:21:41

^

but being named Hell's Gate isn't

i thought it was considering Square Enix are apparently the type to re-localize move names based on what people are familiar with in past games. again, i'm not against leaving it off if it isn't, but now it seems like we're not so sure.

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homogenized Since: Oct, 2009
2020-12-29 18:32:55

Well, in that case there's issue of Hero's moves then, as Dragon Quest spells and abilities have had different localized names in the past. I wouldn't call Frizz a Mythology Gag to Dragon Quest VIII where that name for that spell line was first used.

Now, perhaps if they purposely used a past name over the current name, then it could be considered a Mythology Gag; for example, using Hero again, if they used the names Blaze/Blazemore/Blazemost then it might be a valid example.

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homogenized Since: Oct, 2009
2021-01-02 10:45:47

Bumping because I remembered this wasn't really resolved.

SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
2021-01-03 04:50:11

This seems like it should be discussed in Trope Talk or the discussion page.

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