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Agreed. Bad trope and excessive, uncalled-for rudeness. May need a closer look from the powers that be?
Their username is also suspicious because it suggests immediately off the bat that they're an open, bonafied Brony hater, which I don't know about you, sounds like a recipe for starting fights and is rude right out of the gate.
And it's not just the "Proposed Tropes" section that's problematic, their entire troper page is. It's nothing but an extremely rude rant about audience reaction tropes, which may be related to why they proposed that draft in the first place.
I don’t think it’s a rant about audience reaction tropes. It reads more like an angry suicide note.
They seem to have erased the original idea, then complained that criticism was only because nobody could understand their idea or how good it was. The whole erasing the original draft in a fit of pique new to me however. What was the original draft that they erased?
Edited by Tuvok
^^I think that's too far. It's basically just an autobiography that amounts to "I'm an asshole, but only because the world has been so cruel to me", but written in the most obtuse way possible. It's like if someone who had only ever read tvtropes pages tried to write like James Joyce.
Edited by TheMountainKing
^^ The draft was Fanservice Favoritism, which was basically a Creator's Pet who gets fanservice moments. The three examples were all from Danganronpa games, and not actually examples of a Creator's Pet.
Discarded and made a note about this troper in the moderator forum.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Bunping this, because I feel that it's sorta related. The troper mentioned has also made an edit to the main Danganronpa franchise, with an edit reason that comes across as a little lewd:
They also de-italicised work names in this edit
on the same page.
Yeeeeeeah....this is teetering on unnecessarily horny, especially because, if I remember correctly, the characters are high schoolers and thus underage.
I knew I wasn't the only one who feels that way about their writing style. I remember that back on their TLP draft, the descriptions for each character felt unnecessary detailed, especially since they felt the need to specify exactly how large each character's breasts were in centimeters.
Edited by jandn2014 back lol
I also want to note that after the original query died down, they made some more additions to their troper page that are very questionable.
And they also called the Wiki "satirical" (whatever that means).
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For what it's worth, they're also the one who added the eventually ginormous Up To Eleven entry on VisualNovel.Danganronpa V 3 Killing Harmony which was removed and put on Sandbox.Danganronpa V 3 Up To Eleven for trimming (it can probably be swapped in by now and the folders corrected).
[lower post] Yes.
Edited by Piterpicher Currently mostly inactive. An incremental game I tested: https://galaxy.click/play/176 (Gods Of Incremental)
What did I just read? Their troper page is like a fever dream. They don't seem well.
Edit: Wait, that Up To Eleven example...wasn't that the novella-length one?
I think they may need a tap. Not necessarily just for causing problems but I also think they may need a mental-health break.
Edited by WarJay77 Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Um...Yeah. I think this guy seriously needs a time out on the wiki. Even putting aside all the horny editing, his troper page alone has 10,000 red flags.
- "I also can't do a single thing in here, it seems, even though you all should've been able to gain something psychologically bouncing from all the meta tropes in this satirical wiki, but no, you fucking didn't and instead are being too overly focused on your satirical tropes, for god's sake. What's even the point of being on this website if you aren't going to check the meta tropes and the reasoning for their inclusion? The community for this place is absolutely fucking shit.Also, I'm your fanservice or minor details guy. So anything either of those I can add in as a trope (obviously not always be accepted for adding them in despite it being factual because every fucker here sucks at meta-knowledge but still)."
It really sounds like this guy isn't in a good place mentally and being on this wiki is not helping.
Is it worth sending them a message to come here?
I'm, uh, not sure that'd be best in this case. We don't want an ATT flame-out.
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^ Fair enough. If that's what he says on his Troper page, best not to see what he wants to say to us directly...
I won't send a summons here if nobody wants it, but this is a publicly visible post.
And if they find their way over here so be it, but we don't need to invite them directly. That'd only make things worse.
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What do they think satire is? Any single thing based in objectivity as opposed to subjective factors like attraction?
"What's even the point of being on this website if you aren't going to check the meta tropes and the reasoning for their inclusion?" is a wildly ironic statement when we explained how YMMV items work and the restrictions on them and how their draft was misusing certain YMMV concepts, and they freaked out.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
If we are to believe their troper page, they are fifteen years old, which goes some way towards explaining both their behaviour and simplistic but obtuse writing (and maybe excuses a bit their love of underage fanservice). Maybe in a few years' time this will become an old shame.
Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.
"Not in a good place mentally" is not the best sort of person to have running amok on the site. Would be nice to have someone more "official" have a look at their edits and troper page, am thinking. And age as an excuse only goes so far.
This may be stretching it but, do we have any verified psychiatrists on the site? Maybe they can help the mods access the issues with their behavior.
Edited by DivineFlame100
^Even if there were, it wouldn't do for them to diagnose over the internet. Nor is it anyone's responsibility.
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OK, guys. We don't want any armchair diagnosing going on here. Let's just wait until the mods see this and act.
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Tropers aren't psychologists and this doesn't need a diagnosis to know that these things aren't okay on the site. Let's just let this play out.
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Not loving the eagerness to treat a total stranger as if they're they're mentally ill just because they're being a dick. We are not psychiatrists here; address this from a wiki POV.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
For what it's worth I wasn't trying to imply they were ill but just that they might be going through some things that are bleeding into their on-site behavior and that this site isn't good for their mental health. Obviously I agree we shouldn't be arm-chair analyzing them but I did think it was necessary to point out that something didn't seem right, and that their troper's page feels very off, and I think that's entirely fair to say without claiming they're outright mentally-ill.
But this is getting popcorny either way and regardless of the situation we all agree something needs to be done here.
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^ Nah, you're fine. I was more expressing discomfort with Divine's request that we bring in a psychiatrist to assess their behavior, which is way off-mission for this wiki. If they have personal issues to talk about, they can bring it up themself. Speculating on somebody's personal issues is the most ugly form of popcorning.
Edited by mightymewtron I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Yeah, I don't think it's incorrect to state that this is mentally unwell behavior—I think we can all agree that someone with a Troper page such as this is not as cool as a cucumber, and they seem volatile with some topics here. Let's just not get so far as to actually try and diagnose them or call in a psychologist. This is just a wiki.
In any case, we should just let mods decide what to do now.
Alright, I take back what I said. I didn't realize I was being rude.
^ I think you were coming from a well-intentioned place at least, but asking to call in a psychologist just goes too far for this. The Troper's behavior is mentally unsound (which I am starting to think was too much of a term, since I think "anger issues" should sum this up well) in terms of the wiki—screaming at people, dedicating his page just to insult others, the oddly horny edits reasons, etc. It's just not our place to decide that they are certifiably mentally ill, and it's really not our place to ask for a psychiatrist.
This reminds me of the conversation we had about whether trigger warnings should be on pages dealing with suicide and such. Even if the idea comes from a well-meaning place, it's simply not the wiki's responsibility to deal with stuff like that.
Edited by iamconstantine
The one thing I think they need to be talked to about is this:
- "I'm the one who wrote this trope in here in the first place so I can clarify as much as is needed."
That's not how a wiki works. You don't own the stuff you write here, and you don't have any special rights just because you added the example, or even if you're the one who made the page. If you want exclusive creative control, start a blog.
^ Hold on a moment... I think that raises red flags. The behavior is too similar to a certain banned troper who rage discarded numerous drafts of their own and tried to claim ownership to each of them.
Can we have an IP check to see if they're BulmaBriefs144 ban evading, please? It seems too good to be coincidental. Just checking to make sure.
It's not them, they were posting before Bulma got suspended and while Bulma was certainly angry and misunderstood how the site worked, they didn't exactly post about fetishes or make novella-length walls of text.
Some people just have ownership issues.
Edit: That said, some of their behaviors are strikingly similar.
Edited by WarJay77 Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
And this troper didn't even know how to discard their own draft. They just blanked it.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
It occurs to me that if we're going to actively avoid bringing Comet Z The Anti Brony into the conversation, then we'd be better off waiting for a mod to chime in than spending 30+ posts talking about issues we, ourselves, aren't taking steps to correct.
Edited by sgamer82
OK, this is far too much chit-chat about another troper. Is it this difficult to not kibitz?
Anyhow, suspended them.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Comet Z The Anti Brony proposed a trope
that received some standard criticisms (you can look in the draft history to see what it was previously like), but they responded in a way they even admitted was snarky, where they suggested that the only reason we were criticizing their proposal was an aversion to new ideas (which is a pretty silly criticism to make in the Trope Launch Pad) and saying that we "learned nothing."
Now on their tropers page, they edited the section where they'd listed the proposed trope to instead say "fuck you again." This reads like a jab at anybody who didn't like their proposal. Is that too far? (They're not a super new editor either, their account dates back to at least January.)
Edited by mightymewtron