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Worth noting that he's doing it despite a lengthy commented-out note I added to the top of the page explaining the policy for unreleased work pages and zero context examples, specifically to prevent things like this from happening again.
Edited by Dirtyblue929
They did it on Oct. 3rd and Oct. 7th (yesterday). It looks like they...tried to add some context to some of the examples they un-hid on the 3rd, but as someone who's unfamiliar with the game, I don't know if sufficient context was added.
The stuff from the 7th is definitely not kosher, since almost all of them just had the markup removed.
I did look at the page and it's a little unclear why these entries were hidden. ZCE? Doesn't seem likely. Was it because they were speculative?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Some of them are ZCE, some are explicitly speculative, and all of them lack citation to publicly-released material per Creating a Work Page for an Upcoming Work. As Dirtyblue points out, there is a large commented-out note at the top of the page imploring folks to read and follow that policy.
I made an effortpost on the Cyberpunk 2077 forum thread
detailing the exact problems with individual entries a couple days ago, which FSU Bulldogs might have seen if he had responded to P Ms the first time he edit-warred over this page and known that that is where we're coordinating cleanup. That post might be outdated now; Dirtyblue and Not-So-Badass Longcoat did some cleanup in response to it.
The point is that we're over here doing cleanup, discussing things, reaching consensus, and cooperating to improve the page, and then someone comes in and unilaterally undoes it on a whim, then ignores all efforts to message them to come talk about it. It's edit-warring and it's not acceptable.
Edited by HighCrate
OK, in that case their edits can be reverted.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Suspended. Commence cleanup.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
Thank you.
As there was initially some confusion about why exactly the entries were hidden, would it be helpful to include a short note (e.g. "%%ZCE" or "%%no citation") after individual hidden entries? I've noticed NSBLC (I think) doing that, and while it's not a very common practice, maybe it should be?
I leave comments about what context is needed before uncommenting about one-in-ten times that I do it. That takes a lot of work so I usually don't.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Yeah, the onus is on those who want an entry included to include context so I don't think it should be a hard requirement for doing ZCE cleanup.
Still, if I'm taking the trouble to write an edit reason (which I usually do), it's not that much more trouble to copy-paste that edit reason next to the hidden entry.
Edited by HighCrate
"No citation"?!
- V: So, think they're done ridin' our asses?Jackie: Sure, maybe... Should be lookin' for a new place to slice'n'dice, not gunnin' after us...
I'm thinking that was a misclick; the "no citation" tag was to Organ Theft. Brain Uploading also got deleted when it had a citation, too. (Quoting isn't a citation.) The edit reason didn't explain why some entries got commented and others got deleted.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
"Misclick" doesn't delete an entire entry, with a quote and all.
Edited by NotSoBadassLongcoat "what the complete, unabridged, 4k ultra HD fuck with bonus features" - Mark Von Lewis
The Brain Uploading entry is explicitly speculative: Johnny Silverhand's consciousness "appears to have been transferred onto The Relic." Emphasis mine.
Examples don't "appear" to be examples. They are or they aren't.
Edited by HighCrate
There's also the possibility that characters might be, *gasp* wrong or dishonest. The example is going off of what is shown, not what is true. It might appear as if Silverhand has uploaded their brain, but it could also be an AI assuming their identity as some sort of scam. We have confirmation that a character claiming to be Silverhand is an online presence, but not where their presence came from. This appears to be a result of Brain Uploading, but might be a deception by another character. The example is still accurate regardless of which is true (and several other possibilities besides).
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
If the character claims to be the result of Brain Uploading in publicly-available, tropable materials (a trailer or whatever), then the entry could be rewritten to say so. That would count as a Discussed Trope even if it turns out to be a lie / scam / whatever.
Edited by HighCrate
Troper ~FSU Bulldogs is up to their old tricks again. Troper ~Silverblade 2 cleaned Characters.Cyberpunk 2077, hiding several Zero Context Examples and entries lacking citation (as required by wiki policy for an unreleased work). ~FSU Bulldogs immediately and unilaterally undid their work, un-hiding several entries with no alteration, no edit reason, and no discussion.
If this sounds familiar, it's because it's exactly what happened a couple weeks ago
. I messaged ~FSU Bulldogs at the time to come discuss the matter, and they never responded.
I have messaged them again informing them of this ATT thread. I have also messaged ~Silverblade 2 and posted on the Cyberpunk 2077 forum thread
, where several tropers including ~Dirtyblue 929 and ~Not-So-Badass Longcoat have been coordinating cleanup.