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I agree this is a problem, but can you try to focus specifically on the changes instead of posting the whole description twice- or maybe put it in folders? It's just really long and exhausting to even look at this post.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallThe problem is the editor injecting ideology without consensus.
Scientia et Libertas | Per Aspera ad Astra NovaFor people having trouble parsing the differences, here's the edit history of the posts. It's still messy, but I found it easier:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.YamatoNadeshiko#edit26612646
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Analysis.AmericansHateTingle#edit26612433
I don't know enough about these tropes to judge, but just the fact they added "(whatever that means)" to some sentences they didn't agree with sets off alarm bells.
From what I get, the edits are complaining that Yamato Nadeshiko is a sexist (or bad writing) trope and that Japan and East Asian countries backwards for still enforcing this kind of rigid gender roles/stereotypes.
Just want to add that I sent mercutiyo a rudeness notifier in June for their edit reason on this
page, where they call another Troper an idiot.
Maybe I am just having deja vu but this troper sounds very similar to vvv2024
who was suspended for doing something similar and refusing to answer PM's to bring them in for discussion. They also picked up editing a few days after vvv was banned on the 14th on March. Of course could just be a coincidence buut
Maybe it's a sockpuppet, or just a coincidence. It might be good to check anyways.
SING TO ME, LEND ME THE SONG OF BLASPHEMYAlso I think Draco in Leather Pants DOES require the character in question be a villain.
As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.To be honest, I think Dirtyblue is being a bit too eager to sling dirt. I'm not detecting racism in the edits. They are correct that Japan is a deeply patriarchal country and that the standard of Yamato Nadeshiko is deeply rooted in that history.
Further, I've always been VERY skeptical about that article's attempts to repeatedly claim "To western audiences, this may seem sexist, but..." It comes across as trying to sneak in Culture Justifies Everything.
Even in Japan, the culture of Yamato Nadeshiko has come under scrutiny by womens-rights groups, so claims that it's just an innocuous cultural thing isn't the entire picture, either.
EDIT: Nevermind, I just saw that they might be a sock puppet and that there was apparently a pro-Korea, anti-Japan vendetta or something. So maybe that is a factor.
Edited by NubianSatyressIt's not wrong to point out these things, but they clearly have an agenda and an Anti-Japanese bias.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallNo doubt. But I honestly think some of the edits were for the better. As I mentioned, the opening in my opinion works better without the Values Dissonance sinkhole, since the stereotype is even questioned by some progressive groups in native Japan. That being said, calling it something from a "bygone era" is flat out incorrect. It'd be like calling a housewife something from a bygone era, when it's clearly still around and preferred by some women. Old-fashioned? Yes. Bygone? No.
Since we can't let this turn into a TRS thread, I'll leave my points at that and note that my positions on the edit are irrelevant to whether or not the troper should be punished.
Edited by NubianSatyressAs for the actual valid stuff, we can probably table that for a discussion page or something. It's worth discussing.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallBrought up the description issue in the trope description improvement drive thread (long-term projects)
My troper wall

Here are two of mercutiyo2003's edits.
A poorly done yamato nadeshiko, however, will turn out like an Extreme Doormat. They are silent and submissive without the inner strength of a true yamato nadeshiko. This is a common stereotype of East Asian women in Western fiction and is often referred to derisively as the China Doll
stereotype.
With some notable exceptions, yamato nadeshiko will be of medium height, willowy, modestly endowed, and good-looking without being too beautiful or too cute; they will have pale skin and long dark hair with full, straight bangs and sidelocks. They'll dress in feminine fashions: skirts, blouses, low-heeled shoes, lace, ribbons and simple hair ornaments. The other option is the impeccable ladylike style for adults. A kimono is likely to be worn by a nadeshiko brought up in the good old Kyoto style. Some may wear jewelry and make-up, but not too much. Their voices will often be as gentle, calm, and warm as melted butter. Large, rounded eyes are always a good bet. It is not unusual for geisha to be a yamato nadeshiko.
Sometimes, these ladies will also know self-defense, even if they would rather not fight if it can be avoided. This makes sense as many nadeshiko came from samurai clans and thus were trained in fighting, so they could defend their homes whenever the males were absent. If that's the case, they'll be very graceful and effective in the battlefield, and they're likely to be White Magician Girls or Barrier Warriors. If they're neither, they'll likely use polearms, lances (specifically naginata which daughters of samurai families were traditionally trained in and included in their dowry) or bow/arrows, and maybe even small tantou daggers that may be hidden in their clothes.
These characters pop up a lot in Magical Girlfriend series (usually as the one who will win the male lead's heart) and as the "Betty" in Betty and Veronica Love Triangles. They tend to be very sympathetic, but their passive, reactionary nature puts them in danger of becoming Satellite Characters for more "interesting" people, as well as a target of bashing from fans who prefer more active love interests such as Tsundere. Obviously, this trope is most popular in Japan.
to:
Sometimes a Nadeshiko would drop all subtlety and nuance and would be an Extreme Doormat. They are silent and submissive without the inner strength of a true yamato nadeshiko. This is a common stereotype of East Asian women in Western fiction and is often referred to derisively as the China Doll
stereotype, possibly because of the East’s restrictive standards.
With some notable exceptions, yamato nadeshiko will be of medium height, willowy, modestly endowed, and good-looking without being too beautiful or too cute (whatever that means); they will have pale skin and long dark hair with full, straight bangs and sidelocks. They're restricted to feminine fashions: skirts, blouses, low-heeled shoes, lace, ribbons and simple hair ornaments. The other option is the impeccable ladylike style for adults. A kimono is likely to be worn by a nadeshiko brought up in the good old Kyoto style. Some may wear jewelry and make-up, but not “too much” (again, whatever that means). Their voices will often be as gentle, calm, and saccharinely high. Large, rounded eyes are always a good bet. It is not unusual for geisha to be a yamato nadeshiko.
Sometimes, these ladies will also know self-defense, even if they would rather not fight if it can be avoided. This makes sense as many nadeshiko came from samurai clans and thus were trained in fighting, so they could defend their homes whenever the males were absent, because in Feudal Japan they were never expected to fight in other situations. If that's the case, they'll be very graceful and effective in the battlefield, and they're likely to be White Magician Girls or Barrier Warriors. If they're neither, they'll likely use polearms, lances (specifically naginata which daughters of samurai families were traditionally trained in and included in their dowry) or bow/arrows, and maybe even small tantou daggers that may be hidden in their clothes.
These characters pop up a lot in Magical Girlfriend series (usually as the one who will win the male lead's heart) and as the "Betty" in Betty and Veronica Love Triangles. They tend to be very sympathetic, but their passive, reactionary nature puts them in danger of becoming Satellite Characters for more interesting people, as well as a target of bashing from fans who prefer more active love interests such as Tsundere. Obviously, this trope is most popular in the East, where restrictive gender roles are the norm.
Speaking of that, these character types are usually more unpopular in Europe, Australia, and even America. In those countries this kind of gender role-where women might have a certain amount of power, but only in a domestic sphere-are considered passé. Though sometimes they get a pass since these characters are East Asian. It used to be because of racial stereotypes/the fact that all women were treated this way.
to this:
Thoughts? I'm a Japanese troper, and I sense something in their edits, though I don't know what is.
Edited by IukaSylvie