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NubianSatyress Since: Mar, 2016
2020-06-12 23:27:00

I object. This entry was brought up on the Discussion page and the three respondents were all mutually confused why it supposedly didn't apply (myself among them). Even with your explanation above, I don't see how it doesn't apply based on the two bullet points you used.

  • "It's a subject more mature or complex than the work can effectively portray (not the case given how the series had matured by this point)."
    • What does this mean exactly? Regardless of how much HP had "matured" at this point, White Man's Burden and slavery are two topics with such complex baggage that the message was doomed from the start. At best, the HP universe paints broad strokes on complex subjects of morality.
  • "The fantastical parts undermine the real world applicability (not the case as the problems are the real world comparisons)."
    • Again, what do you mean? The problem with the White Man's Burden in this instance comes specifically from the fantastical elements of the work—namely, that House Elves do not work as metaphors for oppressed minorities. House Elves are Literal-Minded simpletons portrayed as having very little self-agency. If given an order that is impossible, they will attempt to carry it out with very little critical thought or objection. The intended aesop, therefore, is that Hermione (the stand-in for the White Savior) is supposed to be wrong because she does not care about what makes the House Elves (the stand-in for oppressed/enslaved minorities) happy or fulfilled. But I repeat: House Elf psychology is alien to any real-life human athnicity, and therefore the aesop becomes undermined.

ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020
2020-06-13 00:07:27

saying "per cleanup" when only one other person agreed with you is highly misleading. two people is not consensus. you're ignoring the discussion on the discussion page as well.

Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
2020-06-13 06:52:18

Understood. That’s why I asked.

Any problem with reworking the example to at least remove the YMMV tropes (policy is it should be avoided on non-YMMY if possible)?

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