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TheNerfGuy Since: Mar, 2011
2020-05-27 14:04:44

I believe we already have trope like that. Incorruptible Pure Pureness comes to mind.

WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2020-05-27 14:27:59

Even then, Complete Monster is a weird trope with special rules and an entire thread dedicated to stomping out misuse and finding valid examples. We probably don't need a good counterpart to it, especially if it'd also have to be a YMMV trope.

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8BrickMario Since: May, 2013
2020-05-27 16:57:19

I feel like such a concept would be very difficult to justify as well, if it's meant to be a counterpart trope that would apply to The Hero. Almost every hero does morally ambiguous things in the name of good, and cases where they are perfectly flawless are usually cases of Mary Sue or Parody Sue, which are cases of inept or comedic writing. And given the problems that have faced Complete Monster, introducing something to pair with it feels like a bad move.

WaterBlap Since: May, 2014
2020-05-27 17:13:42

It gets difficult to say what exactly a "good person" version would be. Recall that CMs lack a sympathetic backstory or any moral justification that could excuse their actions, which goes towards the "complete" part of the complete monster. They garner no sympathy from the audience and there's no excuse for what they've done. It really doesn't sound like there could be a "complete" angel in the sense that it's the good version of a CM. The closest thing we have would be a basic inversion (rather than a "perfect" inversion as "Complete Angel" implies, at least to me), which is the aforementioned Incorruptible Pure Pureness.

There's also Purity Sue, for an exaggerated Incorruptible Pure Pureness.

Edited by WaterBlap Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
MisterSnuffy Since: Nov, 2019
2020-05-27 17:46:42

Heroes Wiki has something similar to this that you guys can use as a basis

https://hero.fandom.com/wiki/Heroes_Wiki:Pure_Good?useskin=oasis

WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2020-05-27 17:49:56

^ Much like we don't follow what Villains Wiki does when it comes to CM, we won't follow Heroes Wiki for a similar concept. We have different goals and styles and purposes.

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MisterSnuffy Since: Nov, 2019
2020-05-27 18:20:50

What different goals, styles and purposes? Could you please be more specific?

chasemaddigan Since: Oct, 2011
2020-05-27 18:53:04

The Complete Monster thread has a history of people trying to get candidates approved or cut based solely on what the Villains Wiki had to say about them. Often they would repeat points that were already addressed when a candidate was initially voted on, and it seemed like people were just trying to enforce another site's standards onto the Complete Monster thread.

In regards to the OP's question, there's really no need for such a trope since we already have plenty of tropes about pure-hearted individuals. And issues like these would probably fit better under Trope Finder.

WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2020-05-27 18:54:17

Right. IDK much about the wiki you linked, but we're different sites and so it doesn't matter if they have this concept or not; it only matters if it works for us. And it wouldn't.

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
2020-05-28 01:13:30

This would be a question for TLP, at any rate.

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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
2020-05-28 08:21:51

I was PM'd about this by Master Joseph. My thought was it need a more compelling justification to exist if we already have Ideal Hero and Incorruptible Pure Pureness than other sites have something similar.

Given the strictly enforced amount of rules and approval required for CM, I'd hesitate on any new tropes requiring the same amount of effort. CM is one of our most popular widely recognized outside the site trope, which is why we keep it despite the effort. A new trope wouldn't have that significants.

Good Is Boring means it sound like entires would be less interesting than CM entries.

I'm not saying Complete Angel is impossible, but when I asked I couldn't even get the most basic requirement (how it's distinct from Ideal Hero and Incorruptible Pure Pureness), so I'm skeptical the others can be met.

AegisP Since: Oct, 2014
2020-05-28 11:28:24

Dont Forget the All-Loving Hero!

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
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