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MacronNotes (Captain)
6th Apr, 2020 11:19:28 AM

I think they count. Administrivia.Tropes Are Flexible after all.

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MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
6th Apr, 2020 11:24:04 AM

Yep. It's absolutely fine.

WaterBlap Since: May, 2014
6th Apr, 2020 11:28:14 AM

The description mentions "the pre-television history of this trope," which at the very least implies that this trope is not specific to television shows. Also, there are dozens of categories of examples, including movies.

I've always thought of this as "any non-extant work within an extant work," but it looks like there are specific subtropes for video games and for some reason soap operas within a TV series (and then there's School Play). I wonder if there's a missing supertrope and the "sub"-tropes are actually sister tropes (excluding Soap Within a Show, which is a specific form of a non-extant show within an extant TV show).

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crazysamaritan MOD Since: Apr, 2010
6th Apr, 2020 01:33:43 PM

I think you're right and that we've mostly bodged SWAS as a supertrope without methodically clarifying the relationship between subtropes.

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StFan Since: Jan, 2001
6th Apr, 2020 02:56:43 PM

There is also Fictional Video Game and Fictional Social Network, for that matter, which can count as subtropes too.

crazysamaritan MOD Since: Apr, 2010
6th Apr, 2020 06:02:49 PM

Or Amateur Film-Making Plot, Movie-Making Mess, and You Just Ruined the Shot. This needs more discussion than an ATT thread.

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WaterBlap Since: May, 2014
7th Apr, 2020 10:26:43 AM

I have started a long-term projects thread here. IMO, a long-term project is the appropriate place for not only the perpetual maintenance work but also the clean-up effort. Like, it isn't just the wick clean-up.

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naturalironist Since: Jul, 2016
7th Apr, 2020 05:45:24 PM

Seems more like a question for trope talk, since it's about trope relationships. Is there evidence that wick cleanup is needed?

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crazysamaritan MOD Since: Apr, 2010
7th Apr, 2020 07:53:07 PM

If the thread changes the relationship between two tropes, then a wick cleanup will be needed, due to previously correct examples needing to be moved.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
WaterBlap Since: May, 2014
7th Apr, 2020 08:15:00 PM

Yeah, I thought it all went hand in hand. If we change the description, then trope relationships may change. If the relationships change, then wicks will need cleaning. In addition to wicks being cleaned along the way anyways, and in addition to that there's the issue of cleaning up pages for non-extant works, which itself would require the description to be cleared up and discussed. It's all one big circle of ohgodwhy and thankspastusforleavinguswiththis. [rainbow] [fanfare]

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