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Tuvok Since: Feb, 2010
5th Apr, 2020 04:56:20 PM

It does seem a bit of a reach trying to place blame by assuming fault . The examples the OP used are a bit weak and assumes much?

Edited by Tuvok
5th Apr, 2020 05:18:32 PM

The troper who added it is Hello 101, by the way.

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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
6th Apr, 2020 11:26:10 AM

Update: cutting as the only unintentional part is not apologizing onscreen which prior cleanup decided is too minor to count if they are otherwise intended as in the wrong. (As if x 90% intentionally unsympathetic, the 10% unintentionally is too minor to overshadow the intentional stuff as this UU implies.)

Hello101 Since: Sep, 2013
6th Apr, 2020 03:31:21 PM

I'll admit that Unintentionally Unsympathetic was a poor trope choice. Here's the new entry - does it work better?

  • Rescued from the Scrappy Heap: An downplayed and also inverted example with Garnet, Pearl, and Amethyst. Even with the fact that Steven is growing up, they continue to treat him like they did at the start of Steven Universe. At several different points, they are seen glossing over his emotions, such as during "Together Forever" when Garnet doesn't give Steven help when he first asks (and claims that "there was no future where he didn't propose" and refusing to take responsiblity for it despite Ruby and Sapphire directly egging Steven on to propose to Connie without bringing up that it might not work), and Amethyst mostly ignoring Steven's concerns in "Guidance" when he pointed out the newly-immigrated gems were acting like they did on Homeworld with their new jobs on Earth (though she turned out to be mostly right, Both Sides Have a Point). And "Snow Day", when they repeatedly ignored the many signs that Steven did not want to play with them, their expectations that he would set everything aside to do so (like them fairly often in the early seasons), their dismissal of his concerns about Bluebird Azurite in "Bluebird" (concern that was justified), as well as the fact that they never directly apologized to Steven while he was himself onscreen (like he did to Cactus Steven in "Prickly Pair") in "I Am My Monster" or "The Future" over their Parental Neglect or how he was their Living Emotional Crutch for years, instead just acknowledging it while he was in his Kaiju form. Or acting "tough" in "The Future", without considering how acting like they didn't care their child was leaving may have affected Steven emotionally. Steven may have not brought it up most of the time, and the gems did try to correct their behavior (and did an intervention with Steven in "Everything's Fine" alongside Greg and Connie), but considering this all happened after their original Character Development, is it any wonder he's angry with them?

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
6th Apr, 2020 05:09:26 PM

My immediate thought are "always be wary of a YMMV you have to scroll through", "don't they need to be scrappies in the first place before they can be rescued from the heap?" and "YMMV can't be played with so an inverted example is Not An Example"

In the case of the last, from YMMV.Home Page

Be aware that Playing with a Trope cannot apply to these YMMV items. They can't be subverted or downplayed or inverted or averted.

Edited by sgamer82
Hello101 Since: Sep, 2013
6th Apr, 2020 08:41:08 PM

Fair. Sorry, I just am really having trouble connecting how the gems acted towards Steven in Future with how they were handled in the earlier seasons, because it really seems like Character Derailment. The gems seemed to view Steven as an equal by the time of Change Your Mind, but it almost seems like they slid backwards over the two years he was gone. None of their actions were totally unbelievable or OOC by themselves, but all of them at once, over the entire timespan of Future? It just feels like a contrived way to make Steven feel worse and worse and get any faith he has in them broken.

EDIT: I have reworked things in the YMMV entry - try this. (EDIT 2: Character Derailment is found under Flame Bait, editing again...)

  • Idiot Plot: After spending the entirety of the original series learning that Steven was growing up and that they had to take him seriously and as an adult, all of Steven’s “parents” (Greg, but mostly the gems) repeatedly fail to take his feelings into account for most of Future, and at times treat said feelings as though they’re irrelevant. They also fail to realize or do much of anything about Steven’s psychological issues and rapidly declining sense of self-worth until “Everything’s Fine” and “I Am My Monster” directly shove it into their faces thanks to Steven’s unwitting Kaiju transformation (rather egregious considering Connie, Peridot, Shep, and Priyanka all realize Steven has massive issues by themselves despite having far less screen time and not living with Steven).

Edited by Hello101
homogenized Since: Oct, 2009
6th Apr, 2020 11:07:23 PM

Listing multiple "tropes"note  on the same line separated by a slash/slashes is not allowed, each item has to be listed separately.

7th Apr, 2020 02:21:34 AM

Idiot Ball and "Could Have Avoided This!" Plot aren't even YMMV.

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Hello101 Since: Sep, 2013
7th Apr, 2020 02:07:42 PM

Edited, then. I was just using multiple tropes because all of them fit to some degree. I have been bugging you at this for a while - thanks for your time, though.

Maybe it's too soon, but I edited things a little and reposted it on the YMMV page under Idiot Plot.

Edited by Hello101
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