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Warjay, to be frank, the vast MAJORITY of the debate on that TLP draft are YOUR posts, so at this point, I don’t think the “I don’t care how this is resolved” statement applies, since there’s a good chance it would have resolved itself without you. Or, at least, it would have done more than spinning its wheels.
I'm aware, but that's because people are either ignoring the issue or giving non-answers. I'm only vocal about it because the discussion won't be resolved otherwise- ignoring the discussion is different from resolving it, and I'm not the only person who has expressed an issue with how narrow it is.
But those issues have been ignored from the start in favor of tossing an excessive amount of hats, and then we finally got some discussion going about getting a more inclusive name, when Zombie_Jack started the argument over again by telling us we don't get the point. That's why this started again. Before that, someone tried to claim Race Lift excluded White->Non-White examples, which is utterly false- but that was their argument against expansion, so I had to debate that.
I won't ignore my role in the argument, but I don't want to just stop arguing altogether because I think it's something that needs to be discussed, and this escalated as far as it did because people were refusing to actually talk about it.
Edited by WarJay77 Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallI added a post to "settle something", but, honestly, I wouldn't 'defend' anything that I say about it, because, well, it seems... ROCEJ-y. I'm not going to say anything in there again.
I agree that quite a large amount of posts in there are from WarJay, but that's why it's called "Needs more ideas". Because it's... in need of more diverse discussion.
^ Exactly. I don't want to monopolize the discussion so I'm asking for people to join us.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall

So the Trans To Cis Censorship
draft, spawned from the discussion over She's a Man in Japan, has only been up for about a day but is attracting a lot of controversy, as the hat-bomb ratio will let you know.
The issue is that, despite a lot of people voting on the draft, the actual discussion is going around in circles. I don't think we're going to get any resolution at the rate we're going, and we need more people to get involved in the debate. The debate itself is mostly over whether or not the trope should expand- I'm firmly on the "expand" side, but I don't care how this resolves as much as I care that it is resolved and that we don't just battle over hats and bombs without actually, properly, discussing the issue.
I'm not going to bring the debate here so I won't go through all the points, it's all on the draft itself, I'm just asking for more people to get involved and give their opinions rather than just tossing a hat or bomb.