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has had mods state it's only about characters. Saying it applies to works sounds like it would push to real-life examples which need 25 years.
Overshadowed by Controversy might be a valid replacement.
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught^^I think both this and Overshadowed by Controversy suffer a lot from the same problem - people obsessing with documenting fandom/internet drama whether it truly "overshadows" anything or not.
The suggestion was more so for Never Live It Down clean up, though there is quite a bit of overlap between the two.
I mean, HC isn't wrong, but yeah, they're not a mod.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallI honestly don't get why Never Live It Down is apparently just limited to people. I started to question this when an example regarding 4Kids Entertainment got deleted from the Pokemon Anime YMMV just because it's a company and not a person.
Despite all the good that 4Kids has done bringing the Pokemon Anime to western audiences, they're still constantly made fun of for all the times they tried to localize rice-balls. How is that not an example of NLID?
RLLOne of the problems is that, when Never Live It Down is used to describe something that is not a character, it almost invariably devolves into Creator Bashing or Complaining About Shows You Don't Like. If I'm not mistaken, Star Wars was locked for this very reason.
@Retloclive: Because Real Life examples of Never Live It Down require 25 years. An RL creator falls under that. It's admittedly just a few years away from being valid. Applying NLID to shows and not just character moments pushes into RL use of this trope.
And the trope, to avoid complaining, must explain how fans are unfairly exaggerating/focusing on that aspect (ignoring the context, overlooking x's merits or more tangible flaws). I removed the entries you describe per prior ATT inquiries which agreed they need to explain the exaggeration.
THAT is why I think a cleanup thread should be called for. We need to ensure all examples explain the fandom exaggerations as opposed to just complaints. And once we determine if the enough of the non-character examples of NLID avoid this misuse that it can be applied without complaining, then we can consider explaining the definition of NLID to include them IF we can explain how doing so doesn't cross into RL which need 25 years.
It's also been used to bash Chicken Little and The Emoji Movie (both links point to their YMMV subpages), saying that they will become examples, not that they are examples. We should just let the chips fall where they may in these cases rather than dump the bag's contents onto the floor.
Edited by Brainulator9 Contains 20% less fat than the leading value brand!Yeah, and another thing is that we should be talking about what happened within works, not outside of them, so a lot of cases of "The writer did X" or "The Company did Y" are misuse because they're written to complain- even if they're correct that the fandom haven't forgiven it, it's not the time or place to discuss it.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall"Will" should be and auto disqualifier. I'd remove them but do we want to save them as examples to justify a cleanup thread first? I'll zap them unless I hear any objections soon.
I just realized NILD is about exaggerating what are ultimately minor moments. A whole work can't be a moment by definition. I'd say this proves the trope should only apply to characters (RL people or groups are characters) unless anyone can give a valid non-character example. Anyone?
^ Make a thread citing those entries and then zap them, burn them, throw them out, turn them into a flea, put them in a box, put that box inside of another box, mail it to yourself, and when it arrives, smash it with a hammer.
Or just poison it to save on postage.
Contains 20% less fat than the leading value brand!

The description for Never Live It Down mentions that it refers to when characters are defined by a certain event. However on the various subpages, there are examples referring to works as a whole. Are those misuse?