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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
2020-02-05 14:03:59

Prior cleanup has had mods state it's only about characters. Saying it applies to works sounds like it would push to real-life examples which need 25 years.

Overshadowed by Controversy might be a valid replacement.

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught
costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
2020-02-05 14:05:19

There seems to be quite a bit of clean up needed.

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010
2020-02-05 15:20:07

^^I think both this and Overshadowed by Controversy suffer a lot from the same problem - people obsessing with documenting fandom/internet drama whether it truly "overshadows" anything or not.

costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
2020-02-06 09:13:54

Maybe there should be a clean up thread?

GastonRabbit MOD (General of TV Troops)
2020-02-06 13:22:37

^If there isn't already one, that's surprising.

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costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
2020-02-06 15:22:16

The suggestion was more so for Never Live It Down clean up, though there is quite a bit of overlap between the two.

costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
2020-02-08 11:52:47

Sorry for double post, but should the linked thread be used for both tropes?

rjd1922 Since: May, 2013
2020-02-08 12:31:00

Ferot_Dreadnaught: HighCrate isn't a mod.

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WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2020-02-08 12:32:08

I mean, HC isn't wrong, but yeah, they're not a mod.

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Retloclive Since: Jun, 2012
2020-02-10 05:42:59

I honestly don't get why Never Live It Down is apparently just limited to people. I started to question this when an example regarding 4Kids Entertainment got deleted from the Pokemon Anime YMMV just because it's a company and not a person.

Despite all the good that 4Kids has done bringing the Pokemon Anime to western audiences, they're still constantly made fun of for all the times they tried to localize rice-balls. How is that not an example of NLID?

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
2020-02-10 06:40:29

I assume it's that, without the limitation, misuse ran/would run even more rampant than we're currently seeing.

TantaMonty Since: Aug, 2017
2020-02-10 08:14:38

One of the problems is that, when Never Live It Down is used to describe something that is not a character, it almost invariably devolves into Creator Bashing or Complaining About Shows You Don't Like. If I'm not mistaken, Star Wars was locked for this very reason.

costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
2020-02-10 11:04:58

Real life examples also need at least 25 years to have passed.

Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
2020-02-10 11:32:09

@Retloclive: Because Real Life examples of Never Live It Down require 25 years. An RL creator falls under that. It's admittedly just a few years away from being valid. Applying NLID to shows and not just character moments pushes into RL use of this trope.

And the trope, to avoid complaining, must explain how fans are unfairly exaggerating/focusing on that aspect (ignoring the context, overlooking x's merits or more tangible flaws). I removed the entries you describe per prior ATT inquiries which agreed they need to explain the exaggeration.

THAT is why I think a cleanup thread should be called for. We need to ensure all examples explain the fandom exaggerations as opposed to just complaints. And once we determine if the enough of the non-character examples of NLID avoid this misuse that it can be applied without complaining, then we can consider explaining the definition of NLID to include them IF we can explain how doing so doesn't cross into RL which need 25 years.

Retloclive Since: Jun, 2012
2020-02-10 12:23:33

Alrighty then.

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Brainulator9 Since: Aug, 2018
2020-02-10 13:35:01

It's also been used to bash Chicken Little and The Emoji Movie (both links point to their YMMV subpages), saying that they will become examples, not that they are examples. We should just let the chips fall where they may in these cases rather than dump the bag's contents onto the floor.

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WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2020-02-10 13:57:12

Yeah, and another thing is that we should be talking about what happened within works, not outside of them, so a lot of cases of "The writer did X" or "The Company did Y" are misuse because they're written to complain- even if they're correct that the fandom haven't forgiven it, it's not the time or place to discuss it.

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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
2020-02-10 14:00:46

"Will" should be and auto disqualifier. I'd remove them but do we want to save them as examples to justify a cleanup thread first? I'll zap them unless I hear any objections soon.

I just realized NILD is about exaggerating what are ultimately minor moments. A whole work can't be a moment by definition. I'd say this proves the trope should only apply to characters (RL people or groups are characters) unless anyone can give a valid non-character example. Anyone?

Brainulator9 Since: Aug, 2018
2020-02-10 16:21:04

^ Make a thread citing those entries and then zap them, burn them, throw them out, turn them into a flea, put them in a box, put that box inside of another box, mail it to yourself, and when it arrives, smash it with a hammer.

Or just poison it to save on postage.

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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
2020-02-10 20:28:58

Example removed linking this thread.

Should we add this to Square Peg, Round Trope?

costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
2020-02-24 10:59:11

Maybe also create a projects thread to clean up misuse?

costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
2020-02-29 09:30:07

Another question: the trope is described as "They did it just once, but now it's almost the only thing they’re known for". With that definition in mind, is it possible for there to be more than one example for the same topic, since that would suggest they're known for multiple things?

costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
2020-02-29 09:30:07

Accidental double post.

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