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13th Jan, 2020 11:17:50 AM

An Ur-Example is the earliest example that can be identified as being the trope. It is not necessarily the same as the regular trope. Think of it as the difference between a car phone and a smart phone. They're both phones and can be identified as such but they are not the same exact thing.

A Trope Maker is the example that changed the "rough sketch" into the fleshed out "drawing." To continue the pho e example it would probably be early iPhones or just the first smart phones.

13th Jan, 2020 12:24:15 PM

A Trope Maker is the example that changed the "rough sketch" into the fleshed out "drawing." To continue the pho e example it would probably be early iPhones or just the first smart phones.

That's a Trope Codifier. A Trope Maker has to be the first example of the trope.

To go to your smartphone example, The iPhone is the trope codifier of modern smartphone. Blackberries would be the Trope Makers (Coined the term smartphone, laid much of the groundwork as to what would be the feature that make a phone smart as opposed to a regular cell phone), and old PDA / Cell phone combo from the 90s would be Ur-Examples as they existed before the concept of "Smartphone" became a thing, but share many of the traits.

The main difference between an Ur-Example and a Trope Maker when there is any, is that the Ur-Example shares many of the traits but tends to lack some. For example as the page itself says, Hamlet predates detective stories, but shares many of the traits as Hamlet tries to figure out his father's killer and expose him. Any story involving an investigation could be considered an Ur-Example to detective/mystery stories.

Edited by Ghilz
14th Jan, 2020 12:32:22 AM

^a trope maker doesn't have to be first, it just has to start the process of the thing becoming a trope. The Ur-example is simply the first known example. An example of Ur-example on the page is that there's technically a Zombie Apocalypse in the bible but this didn't become a trope until way later and the bible probably had nothing to do with it.

It should be noted that they can overlap. A Trope Maker is an example that laid the groundwork for the trope while the Trope Codifier is the example all others follow. If the ur-example directly influences the creation of the trope it doubles as Trope Maker, and if the Trope Maker is influential enough it doubles as Trope Codifier.

14th Jan, 2020 01:10:55 AM

This sounds like the kind of question that should be posted in Trope Talk.

14th Jan, 2020 05:54:54 AM

Bruh there's a fucking thread for everything.

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