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WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2019-11-27 14:28:05

Erm, the single-person gender-neutral "They" is widely accepted as being proper grammar. The only other alternative, besides things like "Xir", would be to keep saying "him-or-her" for a character whose gender is unknown, which isn't only stiff and awkward and repetitive, but is also exclusionary against non-binary people.

If the character is referred to by male pronouns, cool. But this isn't the sort of place where going on language-fixing crusades is ever acceptable, and if I must point this out, you've had issues with this sort of thing before, so making a fuss over something like this seems... questionable.

Edited by WarJay77 Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
nombretomado (Season 1)
2019-11-27 14:37:56

You were already suspended from reviews for promulgating anti-LGBT views. This apparently did not clue you in. A wiki and a query suspension have been added.

For anyone wondering, if certain pronouns are used in canon, those are most likely the pronouns to use. "They" is perfectly fine whether in cases of unknown pronouns or preferred, and an effort to wage some kind of non-binary pronoun eradication is unwelcome.

Edited by nombretomado
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2019-11-27 14:40:47

So looking at the character page it seems like One-One is a robot made up of two separate robots with two distinct personalities.

So "they" is used because entries are referring to two entities.

Though it sounds weird that you're randomly using that to go into a non-binary declaration.

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Playing_with_boy Since: Jun, 2018
2019-11-27 15:33:03

I agree with "them" pronouns, because a) it's the normal way to refer to someone with i) no gender or ii) whose gender you don't know and b) One-One is two separate entities.

WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2019-11-27 15:35:03

Alright, if that's the case, their edits should be reverted.

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SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan)
2019-11-27 16:48:04

The edits have been reverted.

Addendum: Did both halves use male pronouns? If so, I fear I may have gone overboard with gender neutral pronouns.

Edited by SkyCat32
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2019-11-27 17:23:27

So if there was a question as to whether this guy is agenda based editing...

Kinda convenient he keeps reporting himself for being homophobic and transphobic.

Can we get a mod revert?

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Twiddler MOD (On A Trope Odyssey)
2019-11-27 17:42:31

Did a search of the show creator's twitter and he uses "he" to refer to One-One. [1] [2]

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2019-11-27 18:54:29

Entirely possible he might have been Right for the Wrong Reasons but the edit reasons make it clear these changes were unilaterally made for the sole purpose of furthering an agenda.

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WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2019-11-27 19:06:26

^ Yeah, that's what I was saying in my first post. if the character is referred to as a "He", then cool, but they were going on a language-changing crusade simply out of dislike, which isn't cool.

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SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan)
2019-11-27 19:11:42

Correct me if I'm wrong, but agenda based editing is frowned upon on this site.

I personally wish to avoid falling into this trap, which is why I avoid certain areas of the site.

Edited by SkyCat32
nombretomado (Season 1)
2019-11-27 19:14:10

An edit in an of itself may not have an agenda. Changing pronouns to line up with what is confirmed by the creator is not an agenda. Changing pronouns because you believe that non-binary pronouns are indicative of a mental delusion is an agenda. The OP has been exceptionally forthright in which camp they fall under, which is why they were suspended.

AegisP Since: Oct, 2014
2019-11-27 19:24:19

My god... that edit reason is awful.

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nombretomado (Season 1)
2019-11-27 19:51:39

AegisP, I feel like I see you on a lot of troper queries, just adding popcorn commentary. You gotta lay off on that.

Edited by nombretomado
2019-11-27 21:49:43

I just realized how ironic his username is.

Anyway, since this guy ain't here to be nice, may I request the removal of his more obviously bash-y reviews (DuckTales 2017, Amphibia, think he did one for The Buzz On Maggie too)?

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Twiddler MOD (On A Trope Odyssey)
2019-11-28 00:36:39

Links to those reviews: [1] [2]

There's no reviews for The Buzz on Maggie.

2019-11-28 02:36:50

Hmm, could've sworn there was something about Maggie. Maybe it was already taken down.

Perhaps I was thinking about the Rocko's Modern Life: Static Cling review? Definitely not as bad as the DuckTales review, but he does deadname a trans character in passing, so I'll it up to the mods for this one.

Also found a review for Cupcake And Dino General Services. It's bad, and spends way too much time comparing it to other toons without going into the show itself.

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Tomodachi Since: Aug, 2012
2019-11-28 06:34:02

Jeez, his review style is terrible. Its just complete bashing with nothing instructional about it.

And to think the guy had the audacity to keep editing because he himself can't keep up with the times. "This is wrong, is fine only in my way" sort of editing.

Edited by Tomodachi To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan)
2019-11-28 06:48:21

Requesting a lock on this query so that nobody else can offer popcorn commentary, including myself.

Edited by SkyCat32
Tomodachi Since: Aug, 2012
2019-11-28 06:58:15

Ditto.

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rjd1922 Since: May, 2013
2019-11-28 11:23:19

Wait, if One-One is referred to by male pronouns, why was that edit reverted? And I don't see why their reviews of Amphibia and DuckTales have to be removed if they're not homophobic.

Edited by rjd1922 Keet cleanup
WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2019-11-28 11:33:16

^ They're not homophobic, no, but they are abysmal "reviews".

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Twiddler MOD (On A Trope Odyssey)
2019-11-28 16:20:48

^^ Because at the time, we weren't sure what One-One's canon pronouns actually were, and "they" was a reasonable assumption, given that he is actually two entities.

If anyone wants to change the pronouns back to he/him (it's not going to be me, since I haven't seen the series yet and am not going to spoil myself by looking at its pages), then that is fine. Either this thread or the tweets I linked above (or some other Word of God source) should be cited in the edit reason.

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