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RoundRobin Since: Jun, 2018
2019-11-24 02:49:11

Courtesy links: SugarWiki.Superlative Dubbing, SuperlativeDubbing.English Dubs Anime Manga (needs cleanup), and SuperlativeDubbing.Tropers (needs an axe).

Edited by RoundRobin - Fly, robin, fly! - ...I'm trying!
AegisP Since: Oct, 2014
2019-11-24 02:50:56

I LOVE YOU! I thought I was going to get told "Forget it Aegis, its Sugar Wiki"

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
Kuruni (Long Runner)
2019-11-24 07:40:55

I added SuperlativeDubbing.Tropers to cut list on the ground of being Troper Tale.

rjd1922 Since: May, 2013
2019-11-24 08:14:32

Not a fan of cutting a page that old with minimal discussion. Though arguing and bashing people for not liking dubs has to go.

Keet cleanup
Kuruni (Long Runner)
2019-11-24 10:41:06

I don't have much faith when I saw all of the four ego (I, me, my, this troper) without going deep down that page. If it's to stay, then we need rule update. Either allow other troper to fix gushing entry to remove first person noun, or just throw in the towel and lets people use first person noun in such entry.

nombretomado (Season 1)
2019-11-24 11:11:32

I'm just going to decline it for now, until there's a bit more discussion.

WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2019-11-24 11:16:37

I mean, why has it stuck around this long? Just because people couldn't be bothered to enforce the rules on Sugar Wiki? Or does it actually serve a purpose, besides just being a holdover?

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
nombretomado (Season 1)
2019-11-24 11:25:02

Actually...yeah. There's not a ton salvageable (to be moved to an appropriate subpage) there with all the arguing, though someone could make a go if they'd like. The last actual edit adding a new example was November 2018, and troper tales have been depreciated for far longer than that.

Edited by nombretomado
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
2019-11-24 11:39:04

I mean, why has it stuck around this long? Just because people couldn't be bothered to enforce the rules on Sugar Wiki? Or does it actually serve a purpose, besides just being a holdover?
In my experience, the most common answer to "why hasn't this thing happened?" is simply "No one has done this thing".

So it probably is just as straightforward as nobody's enforced the rules on the page until now.

GastonRabbit MOD (General of TV Troops)
2019-11-24 17:35:52

I'm fine with deleting the Tropers subpage. When I first saw this thread, I was getting Troper Tales vibes before Kuruni's first post outright compared the subpage to Troper Tales.

You can't just say "perchance".
AegisP Since: Oct, 2014
2019-11-25 22:38:49

Is there a thread where we can discuss and reach a consensus?

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
Kuruni (Long Runner)
2019-11-25 23:05:22

Is there anyone want to clean that page up?

I sent PM to some Tropers who make latest real addition to that page to join this discussion, but turned out that sneakyspook is bounced for ban evasion.

The one before that is nombretomado moved stuff from main page, the next is full natter by Mario And Sponge Bob Fan in March 2018, and Eggy0 in January (PM sent).

I also sent PM to MacronNotes (the creator of that page in 2012).

MacronNotes (Captain)
2019-11-25 23:45:23

I didn't create the page. I split it off the main page. Wish i used edit reasons back then since I seem to get confused with being the creator of certain pages a lot now

Edited by MacronNotes Macron's notes
Eggy0 (Holding A Herring)
2019-11-26 01:55:21

Huh. I never thought my entry was natter? I thought I was simply listing a good dub like everyone else after stumbling upon the page...

Can the entry be saved from being natter or does it have no chance? If the former I'd be more than happy to get it sorted via PMs to try and write a better entry. I never intended to go full natter and never realized I wrote natter during the many months following it until I got a PM and saw the mention above.

Edited by Eggy0
Dratewka Since: Sep, 2018
2019-11-26 07:26:56

What's even the point of having it as anything else than "No Examples, Please" type of deal? I mean the entire trope.

There is handful of almost Flame War-tier tropes like Superlative Dubbing, eventually sorted out by simply removing examples from the page itself and then, since it's Sugar Wiki and thus YMMV, just applying to YMMV of each work itself. The result is extremely decentralised list of related works, which means each fandom sorts this among themselves (and in most cases, won't bother arguing in the first place) rather than creating a big-ass catalogue that's just asking for arguing and random people just barging into it out of the blue, too.

Edited by Dratewka
Kuruni (Long Runner)
2019-11-26 08:53:31

@Eggy 0: It's Mario And Sponge Bob Fan who added natter, not you.

IMO, if something on that Tropers page can be save, whoever want to do it has to 1.) remove all ego-insertion, 2.) remove all conversation, and 3.) move what's left to other by-language subpages. The Tropers page serve no purpose.

Edited by Kuruni
Kuruni (Long Runner)
2019-11-28 20:05:43

Bump since it's on second page.

Send it to cut list again? I still don't think it worth an effort to save what's essentially a relic of Troper Tales.

SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
2019-11-28 22:54:10

We have a Trope Repair Shop for that.

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rjd1922 Since: May, 2013
2019-11-28 23:03:48

Honestly, I think we should cut the tropers page. TRS is chronically backlogged.

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WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2019-11-28 23:08:33

Yeah, can we not just cut the page, Septimus? It really isn't a page worth going through the effort to fix. It's Troper Tales-lite.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
nombretomado (Season 1)
2019-11-28 23:24:03

Just cutlist it. TRS won't save a Troper Tales.

alnair20aug93 (Long Runner)
2019-11-29 06:19:09

Also, the opposite of kosher is treif.

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nombretomado (Season 1)
2019-11-29 10:31:07

It's been cut.

If anyone who had entry on there wants to salvage it and place it on one of the appropriate pages, they can PM or used the Locked pages thread.

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