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bwburke94 (Y2: Electric Boogaloo)
2019-07-14 00:41:04

It's an attempted ROT13 version of Page d'Accueil, but accented characters were unchanged.

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Chabal2 Since: Jan, 2010
2019-07-14 02:29:55

So it was a cypher.

... Why do we need a cypher version of the home page in the first place?

Piterpicher (Series 2)
2019-07-14 05:12:28

I don't think we need that page or most other jokey versions of the home pages for that matter. Yeah, they're slightly funny, but as it stands, it's just one page in an unneeded namespace that won't get a wiki of its own. Of course, a regular French translation is fine.

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GnomeTitan Since: Aug, 2013
2019-07-14 09:23:22

bwburke: The reason accented letters are unchanged is that ROT 13 only works on the English alphabet. Rotating each letter 13 places in the alphabet is only self-inverting if there are 26 different letters.

WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2019-07-14 09:54:40

It's certainly weird, but I wouldn't mind keeping it around for the sheer novelty, maybe in a JFF namespace though?

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Piterpicher (Series 2)
2019-07-14 10:05:09

Yeah, moving pages like AlBhed.Home Page to JustForFun.Al Bhed Home Page could work (it would certainly cut on single-use namespaces). Though our French ROT 13 home page is on the Cut List (not because of me).

Edited by Piterpicher Currently mostly inactive. An incremental game I tested: https://galaxy.click/play/176 (Gods Of Incremental)
GnomeTitan Since: Aug, 2013
2019-07-14 12:37:14

I can see no reason whatsoever to keep ROT 13'd pages around. They're not funny and are completely and utterly pointless.

RallyBot2 (Elder Troper)
2019-07-14 13:54:53

The cut request has been declined (for whatever reason.)

WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2019-07-14 13:59:18

I still say we move 'em to JFF. What's the harm?

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nombretomado (Season 1)
2019-07-14 15:02:23

Declined it with this convo ongoing.

wingedcatgirl MOD (Holding A Herring)
2019-07-14 18:45:35

ROT 13 translations don't add anything to the wiki. If someone desperately wants to read an existing page in ROT 13, they can paste them into rot13.com .

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Tabs MOD Since: Jan, 2001
2019-07-14 22:28:54

Paging ~Yugnat, the page creator (I hope that worked)

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rjd1922 Since: May, 2013
2019-07-14 23:46:54

Keep the joke main page translations since they're not causing any harm. I'm against moving them to the Just for Fun namespace since it would make navigating to them harder, and what's the problem with single-use namespaces?

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Piterpicher (Series 2)
2019-07-15 01:01:44

There is a namespace cleanup thread in the Long Term Projects forum in which people discuss which namespaces are unnecessary due to some namespace configuration system being developed, and [[the first post even states "let's get rid of one-off namespaces that aren't being used for actual trope content." While the topic is currently going sluggishly and they're waiting for some tech fixes for this thing, I still tend to be vigilant when I find a single-use namespace (even if clearing them all would probably be impossible due to page splits)

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Fighteer MOD (Time Abyss)
2019-07-15 06:15:48

Normally I'd be in favor of removing joke pages like this because they serve no purpose, but I have to ask: what harm is this causing? Last I checked, there were quite a few joke translations of the home page around — what's so special about this one that would demand its removal? I don't see any precedent set that might lead down a slippery slope of junk page creation.

I remember one April Fool's where visiting the regular Home Page would randomly give you one of the joke ones.

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Piterpicher (Series 2)
2019-07-15 07:21:34

I'm not advocating for full deletion, I just think moving pages like these to Just for Fun would cut on unnecessary namespaces. Yes, it may make navigating them slightly harder, but there's always the Home Pages index, and I'd like to know if anyone else agrees with such a move.

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Fighteer MOD (Time Abyss)
2019-07-15 08:13:33

Well, the crucial problem with using namespaces for the joke pages is that they're incompatible with the namespace configuration tool that we're trying to get finished. When that is fully functional, creating articles in unapproved namespaces will be literally impossible. Putting them in JFF at least solves that one problem.

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Piterpicher (Series 2)
2019-07-15 09:24:55

Is that a yes?

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Fighteer MOD (Time Abyss)
rjd1922 Since: May, 2013
2019-07-15 10:17:38

I oppose moving them, but wouldn't mind cutting the French ROT13 one since it doesn't work.

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Orbiting Since: Nov, 2014
2019-07-15 10:50:48

I support moving them

bitemytail Since: Dec, 2011
2019-07-15 10:57:31

Move to Just For Le Fun.

Brainulator9 Since: Aug, 2018
2019-07-15 11:37:39

I support moving the joke translations to Just for Fun or perhaps JFF's translations.

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crazysamaritan MOD Since: Apr, 2010
2019-07-15 12:01:00

I agree that navigation through the Home Pages index to see the Just for Fun pages is better than using invalid namespaces. The JFF pages should be moved/renamed.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2019-07-15 12:02:53

I cast my vote earlier- move to JFF.

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wingedcatgirl MOD (Holding A Herring)
2019-07-15 14:56:36

To be clear, I don't object to joke translations. (I have no opinion on moving them to JFF or not.) My objection is specifically to ciphers. Klingon fine, ROT13 no.

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2019-07-15 15:00:39

What's the problem with a cipher? They can technically be considered a form of language, and they certainly aren't hurting anything.

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wingedcatgirl MOD (Holding A Herring)
2019-07-15 15:03:53

A page that was created by pasting an existing page into an encryption script does not add anything to the wiki.

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2019-07-15 15:04:56

Nor does it take anything away from the wiki. It just is, and it's a novelty.

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wingedcatgirl MOD (Holding A Herring)
2019-07-15 15:07:44

There's 24 other ROT numbers one might use. Are we gonna have all of those, too, in every language? It doesn't take anything away from the wiki and is a novelty.

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2019-07-15 15:09:18

On principal, I wouldn't be opposed to that, just as long as it's confined to JFF, which is what most of us here want. Unnecessary, yeah, but what's the harm?

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Piterpicher (Series 2)
2019-07-15 15:18:01

Anyway, as there seems to be consensus for moving to Just For Fun, some pages were moved. It's not completely done, but I'll finish it tomorrow, as I'm getting sleepy (it's midnight in my time zone).

PS: The only harm I assume would happen is a loss of a tiny amount of server space, but a few hundred kilobytes from all these pages or so really isn't that big of a loss.

Edited by Piterpicher Currently mostly inactive. An incremental game I tested: https://galaxy.click/play/176 (Gods Of Incremental)
Piterpicher (Series 2)
2019-07-16 03:56:50

Alright, all pages in the one-off joke namespaces are on the Cut List and are now in the JustForFun/ namespace, including our French ROT 13 (though that one's in their French equivalent which has 12 pages, FrJustePourRire/). Left legit languages alone, because who knows, maybe they will be expanded someday.

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crazysamaritan MOD Since: Apr, 2010
2019-07-16 04:44:57

Thank you for the work.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
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