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11th Jul, 2019 02:53:02 PM

Good work, Nubian Satyress. Previous discussions on ATT regarding all-white entries, including moderator posts, can be seen here, here, and here. I notice that they only made the mistake of spoilering the trope name once.

11th Jul, 2019 02:54:38 PM

Granted, it's a common mistake I see on a lot of pages, but that's no excuse for them not listening when presented with the rules.

11th Jul, 2019 02:54:43 PM

Was it only once? I've honestly lost track of what mistakes were made when.

EDIT: It's especially vindicating to see one of those discussions mention that using the gender-neutral "they" is acceptable to avoid spoiling a character's identity, because I did just that in my lastest edit only for Sally 777 to undo it.

Edited by NubianSatyress
11th Jul, 2019 06:32:59 PM

I've mentioned before that I'm in favor of declaring Spoilers Off on all character pages since the tropes on these pages are linked to a specific character, making it impossible to so much as glance through the list of tropes without encountering loads of Self Fulfilling Spoilers if the character in question is involved in literally any kind of plot twist.

The case presented in this thread is a good example of why such a policy could be a good idea.

Edited by Zuxtron
11th Jul, 2019 07:30:15 PM

I, too, am in favor of Spoilers Off on character pages. I'm not quite clear on what the argument against that is. It's a meme in fandom circles that googling a character's name before finishing the work is a bad idea, lest you see an unexpected "status: dead" or similar in their inevitable wiki page's infobox.

11th Jul, 2019 07:40:47 PM

I'll throw my hat in the ring for character pages being Spoilers Off.

Edited by dragonfire5000
11th Jul, 2019 07:52:29 PM

I made a thread a while ago on Wiki Talk about the topic of potentially making character sheets Spoilers Off, in which some counterarguments are given (though none of them really address the Self-Fulfilling Spoiler problem).

Fighteer MOD
12th Jul, 2019 06:18:43 AM

Characters pages being Spoilers Off is not a universal rule, but users are considered to have broad permission to do so if warranted, without having to ask every time.

Edited by Fighteer
12th Jul, 2019 06:48:55 AM

Guess thatís whatís gotta happen for Bloodstained then.

12th Jul, 2019 03:07:09 PM

Perhaps we could add that to the list? Something like

  • Character pages are not spoilers-off by default, but individual pages can be declared so without need of a formal process, if the troperbase deems it necessary.

12th Jul, 2019 05:02:35 PM

Just make sure that there's some kind of process for preventing a single rogue troper from removing large amounts of spoiler tags across multiple works/pages without discussion.

The "default" state is spoiler tags enabled. There has to be a reason to make it otherwise.

12th Jul, 2019 05:19:24 PM

^^ The same text would apply to every page, not just character subpages.

13th Jul, 2019 12:27:44 PM

^ Well, every page that is not already by default Spoilers Off

Edited by pikachu17
15th Jul, 2019 07:36:17 AM

For a non-serial work (ie not an ongoing TV series), I see no reason not to make its character page Spoilers Off, honestly.

And this is coming from the guy who is going to take several months to beat Bloodstained. It's my damn fault if I choose to go to the characters page for a finished game.


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