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Good work, Nubian Satyress. Previous discussions on ATT regarding all-white entries, including moderator posts, can be seen here
, here, and here. I notice that they only made the mistake of spoilering the trope name once.
Granted, it's a common mistake I see on a lot of pages, but that's no excuse for them not listening when presented with the rules.
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Was it only once? I've honestly lost track of what mistakes were made when.
EDIT: It's especially vindicating to see one of those discussions mention that using the gender-neutral "they" is acceptable to avoid spoiling a character's identity, because I did just that in my lastest edit only for Sally 777 to undo it.
Edited by NubianSatyress
Just say Spoilers Off.
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I've mentioned before that I'm in favor of declaring Spoilers Off on all character pages since the tropes on these pages are linked to a specific character, making it impossible to so much as glance through the list of tropes without encountering loads of Self Fulfilling Spoilers if the character in question is involved in literally any kind of plot twist.
The case presented in this thread is a good example of why such a policy could be a good idea.
Edited by Zuxtron
I, too, am in favor of Spoilers Off on character pages. I'm not quite clear on what the argument against that is. It's a meme in fandom circles that googling a character's name before finishing the work is a bad idea, lest you see an unexpected "status: dead" or similar in their inevitable wiki page's infobox.
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I'll throw my hat in the ring for character pages being Spoilers Off.
Edited by dragonfire5000
I thought they already were.
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I made a thread a while ago on Wiki Talk about the topic of potentially making character sheets Spoilers Off, in which some counterarguments are given (though none of them really address the Self-Fulfilling Spoiler problem).
Characters pages being Spoilers Off is not a universal rule, but users are considered to have broad permission to do so if warranted, without having to ask every time.
Edited by Fighteer "It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Guess that’s what’s gotta happen for Bloodstained then.
Perhaps we could add that to the list? Something like
- Character pages are not spoilers-off by default, but individual pages can be declared so without need of a formal process, if the troperbase deems it necessary.
Just make sure that there's some kind of process for preventing a single rogue troper from removing large amounts of spoiler tags across multiple works/pages without discussion.
The "default" state is spoiler tags enabled. There has to be a reason to make it otherwise.
^^ The same text would apply to every page, not just character subpages.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
^ Well, every page that is not already by default Spoilers Off
Edited by pikachu17 17 pikachus all in a row.
For a non-serial work (ie not an ongoing TV series), I see no reason not to make its character page Spoilers Off, honestly.
And this is coming from the guy who is going to take several months to beat Bloodstained. It's my damn fault if I choose to go to the characters page for a finished game.
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There are massive issues with the way tropers are using spoiler tags on Characters.Bloodstained Ritual Of The Night.
Bloodstained is a game that has one massive plot twist at the end and that plot twist is later followed up by several other reveals that you can't know about without discussing the big twist first. For example, there's a character who qualifies as a Spanner in the Works, but to provide context, you have to first spoil that there was an Evil Plan, as well as who orchestrated said plan. Because the perpetrator's identity is linked to how it gets foiled.
Several tropers (Tropers.Sally 777, Tropers.Luigifan and a few others) keep either A) spoiler-tagging out the entire text of an example, B) adding so many spoiler tags that it looks like swiss cheese or C) spoiler tagging out even the trope name.
I've attempted to make several edits to fix these problems, and referring them to Handling Spoilers, but today Tropers.Sally 777 fired back with the following:
"Nubian, maybe you should read Handling Spoilers instead of nitpicking on almost everything to almost an insane degree. Some of the stuff left open can lead people to piecing together the plot without even glimpsing at the spoilers"
They did this while completely spoilering out the entire example Spanner in the Works yet again.
Edited by NubianSatyress