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Clearly shoehorning. Whatever else Bryan Singer and Kevin Spacey may have been accused of, to my knowledge, castration isn't one of them. The second bullet point is vague, and the third one is only tangentially related to anything. Cut it all.

Agreed; zap away.

Will do. Thank you! :)

Waiting for confirmation on the Kevin Spacey / Keyser Soze comparison.

Second one seems like it could be legit. Spacey's character being secretly a monster who remained untouchable despite his many illicit activities is not only pretty relevant, but a very common audience reaction if you talk to people referencing The Usual Suspects nowadays.

That's a real stretch. Keyser Soze was not, AFAIK, a child molester.

And Kevin Spacey is not a psychotic crime lord/serial murderer.

So I should just go ahead and remove the whole thing, right?

I would recommend cutting it.

It's gone. Thanks, everyone!

And there's also this entry, which is more shoehorning.

• "Funny Aneurysm" Moment: In his Oscar acceptance speech for the film, Kevin Spacey joked, "Whoever Keyser Soze is, I can tell you he's getting drunk tonight". This took on a more sinister overtone when... details about Spacey were revealed in 2017.

I'm just going to cut it.

Yeah.

Nothing about the plot of the movie bears any resemblance to their crimes so this is definitely shoe-horning.

For example

Something like the amount of times rather graphic abuse is played for laughs and all the rather disturbing sexual content in John K's work would potentially be this trope after he was outted for grooming underage girls into abusive and sexual relationships because those two things are related.

Movie that has nothing to do with rape happens to have people that were outted as sex offenders in it is not.

Okay, how about the scene in Pay It Forward where Spacey's character beats up a child molester? I assumed that would apply, but it seems to be a trope where it's better to be cautious around.

I'd wait for mod opinion but Kevin Spacey of all people having a scene where he beats up a child molester could very by this trope since it become public he's been habitually groping and assaulting underage boys for god knows how many years of his career.

The HIH entry in question from YMMV.Pay It Forward:

As is, it reads like a ZCE ("accusations" —what kind of accusations?). And that "[...] now that [...]" always bothers me.

^ Since the "in hindsight" tropes intrinsically rely on a distinction between the way things were at the time of the work's release and the way they are after some change in circumstance, I'm not sure there's a better way of phrasing it. There are lots of things that bother me about the "in hindsight" tropes, but that's not one of them.

You're absolutely right about the context problem.

Could be slightly clarified to "now that several men have accused Spacey of making sexual advances towards them when they were underage, including Anthony Rapp"

Since what he was accused of is important for context.

Instead of "now that", we could use phrases like "ten years later" or "but nine years later". We don't need "now" when we are supposed to say how much later it was.

That kind of method would require some poor bastard to go back and update the number on every entry written that way every year.

No it wouldn't; the accusations occurred "x years later" than the release of the film. That's constant, no matter the current year.

I don't know that that kind of specificity is strictly necessary, but it doesn't hurt either.

Came across this on YMMV.The Hateful Eight

• Harsher in Hindsight: All the abuse and degradation the lone woman of the main cast takes can be uncomfortable. To some, the fact that the movie was produced by Harvey Weinstein makes it downright unwatchable.

There doesn't seem to have be any connection between the two.

Nope. Murder it.

Considering producers (especially people as big as he was) usually have a very hands-off role just throwing money at projects they know will have a return that's shoe-horning unless we have a statement from someone he specifically requested the scenes in question.

It's not like he was the co-writer of the script and I very highly doubt a producer with his hands in as many projects as he did was micro-managing the content of the scripts so much as just signing off on anything profitable and moving on.

Came across this on Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

• Harsher in Hindsight:
  • Luke Perry died just a few months after the real Wayne Maunder, and naturally at a much younger age.
  • The movie spends a lot of time following the characters as they drive around LA. It can be a bit hard to watch considering it came out less than a year before the movie's release that Tarantino pressured Uma Thurman into doing a scene in Kill Bill where she had to monologue while driving an old car down a road rather fast. Thurman didn't feel comfortable doing the scene, and ultimately crashed the car, nearly crippling her for life but leaving her with permanent pain. Cliff's car is a VW Karmann-Ghia convertible, the same model involved in Thurman's crash. (Lightened somewhat by the fact that Quentin and Uma have since reconciled and Uma's daughter Maya Hawke has a small role in the movie.)

Both seem rather weak as examples.

The Nightmare Fuel entries are even worse.