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i watched the dub of Sonic X as a teenager. chris was an obvious audience insert character, put in to give kids someone to identify with. i think the reason he comes off as a "gay furry lover" is that a lot of amy's roles from the games were shunted over to him to give him something to do.
in addition, even if the character was in fact confirmed gay, why is that a bad thing or a reason to hate on him, other than bigotry?
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I don't recall sources like the Sonic wiki indicating he's gay. That's why I'm asking if all this hate he receives can be an example of Ron the Death Eater.
creator's pet, okay. that ill grant. the rest of it definitely sounds like ron the death eater to me.
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Only if that hate results in Chris being made a villain in fan works.
To quote Ron the Death Eater directly:
There are many reasons for the writers to portray a character as more evil or jerkass than in the original. It doesn't have to be a result of disdain towards the character. Some writers find role-reversal stories to be interesting, need a character to be evil for some plotpoint to make sense, wish to present a drastic For Want Of A Nail scenario or are doing stuff like that purely for comedy. Nonetheless, personal dislike of the character is a common reason for them receiving this kind of treatment. Some characters inspire hatred in the fans through their canonical blunders, having some flaw that makes them Unintentionally Unsympathetic, or just being an obstacle to the author's One True Pairing, especially if said character is a member of the Official Couple set. Or maybe they're getting in the way of the Mary Sue's spotlight.
Also to quote the commented out notes on top of the page:
Don't just say "This happens to Character X a lot."
If you can't name a specific fanwork, it's not an example, and it will be removed.
Examples of characters and/or their actions being misinterpreted in fandom as flawed or evil, or in some cases more so than they really are, should go in Misaimed Fandom.
Also, you can include external links, but please include a link to the wiki article for the fic in question as well, even if it doesn't have one yet.
In short, to be an example of Ron the Death Eater, you need to be able to point to an existing fan work that deliberately turns Chris into a villain. Don't have that, don't have an example.
Edited by sgamer82
I haven't watched that many episodes of Sonic X and don't really remember much about that series, but isn't Chris one of the main characters? If so, then he doesn't meet the "gets put into big scenes for no reason" criteria that's required to be a Creator's Pet, since main characters getting put into big scenes is fairly standard.
He definitely get's Ron the Death Eater pretty bad from certain portions of the fandom that ignore a lot of context to upgrade him to a full on spoiled brat instead of just a troubled kid starved for love due to distant parents.
Well, I think he that since he's stated to be an audience surrogate that the audience can identify with, that might explain the huge focus he receives that people complain about.
Wait a minute. Chris does have a reason for the excessive screen time because he's supposed to be an audience surrogate the audience can identify with and he is the main human protagonist, and I don't think the writers ever expressed that they liked him. Also, I've only seen a couple of episodes, and I don't recall any of them trying to go out of their way to show how awesome Chris is as Character Shilling states. I think the character that the writers usually showed how awesome he is was Sonic, since his Sonic X character page states he's The Ace. Maybe Chris isn't really a Creator's Pet.
Edited by crystalbeach96
^all valid points. i dont remember anyone ever trying to shill how awesome he was either. so possibly neither trope applies.
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Remember, Ron the Death Eater is just "fan works portray a character as more villainous than they are in canon". If you've got a fan work that portrays Chris more villainously than he is in canon, you've got Ron the Death Eater.
Hmm. All there is in fan works and Internet comments is that Chris is portrayed as a selfish spoiled brat who has a crush on Sonic by the fans despite it not being true. If it's not Ron the Death Eater, then what is it?
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Sounds like it, or something like it. You just need a specific example, as the page specifically states you need to point to a work where it happens.
it doesn't necessarily sound like that's more villainous, though. more bratty, maybe, but that doesn't equate to evil. does Ron the Death Eater cover that kind of thing?
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So from what I've got, Chris Thorndyke isn't a Creator's Pet. His The Scrappy status comes from mostly being a Ron the Death Eater, and some of it from being a Spotlight-Stealing Squad. I've seen some other kinds of Audience Surrogate, and I don't exactly recall them having an amount of focus that Chris receives.
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^spotlight stealing squad covers it pretty well imo. he took a lot of attention from Tails, because he was pushed as Sonic's best friend, as well as Amy, because he did a lot of the things she did in the games.
still not convinced on the death eating. bratty is not evil, just petty.
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I don't really understand the obsession over that scene. That one scene of Amy convincing Shadow to save Earth in Sonic Adventure 2 didn't really seem all that much of an impact. To me, it felt more like Narm. I did see a comparison video of this and the Sonic X version, and I think Sonic X did it better in my opinion.
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i mean, Tropes Are Not Bad and all that. maybe it was better in the show; it's been quite a while since i watched it. regardless you're always going to get a subset of people who only care that he took over a canon character's role and get mad about it.
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incidentally, the markup for single-word tropes is to put curly brackets {{}} around it instead of square brackets [[]]. Macekre
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Hmmm. I found some clips of those two scenes.
Sonic Adventure 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnG4v8DJIJ4&feature=youtu.be&t=6m18s
Sonic X: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFAJuZ3Rto8&feature=youtu.be&t=9m23s
This is not the place for this kind of discussion. Go to a forum.
The OP is a ban evader and has been dealt with.
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I've seen a lot of these all over the place on the Internet talking about this character named Chris Thorndyke. https://www.thetoptens.com/worst-sonic-characters/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEopDzaZzrU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8sLrHzl2og
I'm somewhat of a Sonic fan, but I haven't really seen any of the cartoons because they haven't really caught my eye, and I already have tons of shows that I'm currently watching that I can't really check them out. According to TV Tropes, he's hated because he's a Creator's Pet, but all these websites state that he's a spoiled brat who obsesses over Sonic more than Amy, and he's a gay furry lover who has a crush on Sonic. Does that sound like an example of Ron the Death Eater?