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Dracula X has enough tropes for its own page.
I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.
It's literally the same game.
We have other cases of remakes with their own pages. Why single out Dracula X?
I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.
Well, for me, because I'm not sure what's more common, giving Remakes their own page, or not?
'Cause the Pokémon remakes and whatever Emerald, Yellow, etc, are, don't get their own pages.
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^ That's because nobody split the remakes to their own pages yet. Plenty of remade works might have enough unique tropes to be spun to their own pages.
Heck Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire have plenty of new material (the addition of Gens IV through VI material) in addition to brought back stuff from the original Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald (Gens I through III). So the 3DS remakes can get their own pages.
Edited by Ngamer01
^ - Well, Zuxtron disagreed...
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It's literally the same game.
In the case of Castlevania: Rondo of Blood and Castlevania: Dracula X, they aren't. They share story and many elements, but for a video game, the gameplay is different enough to be counted as separate entries.
NOW, if we're going to merge all Modern Military FPS into single page too (they're literally the same game), it would make more sense.
(edit to be more clear)
Edited by Kuruni
At least for Pokemon, I'm with Zuxtron. They aren't literally the same game, but every plot trope that would be in RSE would also be in ORAS, so merging them cuts down on redundancy. There's no point in, for example, saying that Wally Took a Level in Badass on two separate pages, even if he appears more often in ORAS.
Edited by WarJay77 Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
^^^ Was there a forum wide discussion on making it policy that all remakes must be on the same page as the original works? Because of that's the case, then Pokémon Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee! has to be put on Pokémon Red and Blue (Pokemon Yellow redirects to Red & Blue) because a lot of similar content is shared between Let's Go and Yellow (and by proxy Red & Blue).
EDIT - The point I just want to establish is people are going to want to look up info on a remake only to not find it because everything is crammed on the original version's work page. That makes it hard to determine or find what tropes apply to which because many tropers tend to not specify where the tropes apply.
Edited by Ngamer01
No, there wasn't. Remake/sequels are often on the same page as the original because the second page would otherwise be a stub. There's no mandate that a work page with sufficient description/tropes cannot be split from the franchise page of the work. No Such Thing as Notability argues in favour of splits for sufficiently developed pages.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
The thing is that Dracula X isn't a remake, it's a port. It has about half the content of Rondo of Blood and different level design to fit on a less-powerful console, but it otherwise hits all the same notes. It was fully intended to be the SNES version of Rondo of Blood.
This is less "Should this remake get its own page?" and more "Should this Re-Cut get its own page?"
Rondo of Blood was even called "Dracula X" in its original release in Japan.
Edited by Primis
^ You haven't addressed the main concern with merging the pages: Dracula X has enough exclusive tropes for its own page.
I'm not completely averse to a merge, if that's the way you want to go, but the Dracula X tropes should go in their own folder on the merged page.
I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.
- Adaptation Distillation: Many levels (which ones?) are removed to fit the program on a less-powerful console.
- Adaptation Deviation: Several levels (which ones?) had to be remade, (how?) in order to fit the program on a less-powerful console.
- Reformulated Game: In order to port Rondo of Blood onto the SNES, levels had to be removed or modified to fit on the less-powerful console.
Personally, I'm still wondering why we ever combined the pages for Aria of Sorrow and Dawn of Sorrow. Different handheld, different plot, different structure... the only thing they have in common is the same main cast. (I did a search on Google, and there are fewer than 20 results for the phrase "Chronicles of Sorrow" in any relationship to Castlevania, so this does not seem to be a common term at all.)
^ Agreed, but let's focus on one page for now?
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Okay, so I just went and looked at each example on Dracula X's page one-by-one and examined them:
- Adapted Out: Valid, but only if we consider Dracula X an adaptation, which it isn't since they're both video games.
- Alternate Continuity: Misuse. The only "continuity" this game contradicts is getting the date Simon Belmontnote was alive wrong, and saying Annette and Maria are sisters. Series Continuity Errors at best.
- Battle Amongst the Flames: Valid.
- Bowdlerise: Valid.
- Cherry Tapping: Shared with Rondo of Blood.
- Double X: Valid.
- Evil Laugh: Shared.
- Fake Difficulty: Shared.
- Flying Face: Shared.
- Knock Back: Shared.
- Last Ditch Move: Shared.
- Leap of Faith: Shared.
- Lethal Joke Item: Shared, possibly misused though. The key isn't a joke item, it has a specific purpose.
- Market-Based Title: Valid.
- Multiple Endings: Shared, probably should be Modular Epilogue, though.
- Necromancer: Shared, since Shaft from Rondo of Blood is also a Necromancer.
- Nintendo Hard: Shared.
- Password Save: Valid.
- Reformulated Game: Valid.
- Related in the Adaptation: See Adapted Out and Alternate Continuity.
- Sequential Boss: Shared.
- Shout-Out: Shared with virtually the entire Castlevania series.
- Soundtrack Dissonance: Shared.
- Take It to the Bridge: Shared.
- Underground Level: Shared.
- Video Game Remake: Misuse. Dracula X is not a remake, it's a port.
- The Worm That Walks: Shared.
So that leaves us with:
- 2 "maybe" examples.
- 2 outright false examples.
- 17 examples shared with Rondo of Blood, 1 of which is potentially misused.
- 6 valid examples exclusive to Dracula X, 2 of which are about the title.
In other words, 21 out of the page's 27 examples are bad.
^^ I think what happened there is that someone just made one page to cover both games, not two pages that were merged. Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2 were the same way for a while. "Chronicles of Sorrow" definitely isn't an official title, though.
I'd be fine with splitting them.
Edited by Primis
We currently have separate pages for Castlevania: Rondo of Blood and Castlevania: Dracula X, the latter of which is just a Reformulated Port of the former. It's not different enough to warrant its own page, and the tropes exclusive to it could easily fit into their own folder on Rondo of Blood's page.
We don't have pages for any other Reformulated Ports, at least none are listed on the page, so I don't see why this should be any different.
We also have a page for Castlevania: The Dracula X Chronicles, which is just a Compilation Re-release of Rondo of Blood and Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. It does include a 2.5D remake of Rondo of Blood as well, but as far as I know, said remake is virtually identical to the original, so again: not worth its own page.