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82.172.176.13 Since: Dec, 1969
2011-08-18 06:54:31

Hmm... The second trope you mentioned would propably be Cut His Heart Out with a Spoon. I don't know if there is a trope for the first one, though.

PPPSSC Since: Nov, 2009
2011-08-18 08:10:29

Said Bookism is the first one. The second one might be related to Cool and Unusual Punishment.

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