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Also, I don't think Ember Fist wants to debate this any further and he made that pretty clear.
That is why I have not made any edits yet.
I am rather taken aback by the opinion that EF made "valid corrections". All he did was restore the content without any legitimate argument. This is not bias at work, this is not ignorance. I have thoroughly investigated the points and listed out examples with direct quotes from the film to support me. The evidence is all there.
Every Marvel movie has some rather convoluted plot, most notably Baron Zemo's plan to dismantle the Avengers. I will not go into detail, but there were a lot of ways that it could have easily resolved. That does not necessarily make the plot stupid. Instead, that is up for debate.
Again I am not saying every example should be removed. I have been attempting to compromise and will continue to do so. I also will not re-edit until a consensus has been reached.
So, where do we go from here?
Based on the discussion page
, of the not-permanently-banned people who commented on it, three (myself, Emberfist, and Charmo) think it applies. The only one to say it doesn't and makes total sense is deeed, and, well, yeah. So it's 3-0 that it applies (assume Emberfist isn't permabanned, but even so it's 2-0. But if you count miraculous from the original ATT query
, that's another probable [but not definite] voice for restoring) which means it probably should go back.
Personally, I would like a rewrite of it but I'm honestly not up to the task and would be fine with it just being restored if no one wants to step up.
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.Yeah, I had the exact same thoughts.
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.So, given that he's a ban evader, I agree with TheNerfGuy that 309216364's edits should be reverted at the very least.
Edited by gjjones He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.It's safe to say that anything they added after deeed was banned can be removed. The only question is what to do about IdiotPlot.Live Action Film.
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.I already reworked the entry to make it easier to read through by sorting everything by character or in two cases events. I think it is safe to say the entry should stay but it may need a few more resvisions.
I am one with the force. the force is with me

I am engaged in a debate with a fellow troper named Emberfist about the Live-Action TV section of Idiot Plot. The subsection in particular is Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. As of late, Emberfist's justifications as to why the subsection should remain there are based off assumptions and oversimplifications. I provide detailed explanations as to why these opinions are incorrect and do not belong (you can check out the Discussion Page for yourself). He does little to rebut my statements, simply paraphrasing and rephrasing the same argument. He intends to keep all the examples, despite another Troper having arguing against them for the reasons I listed. I have tried to compromise; offering to delete the most egregious examples and move the rest to the YMMV subsection. Emberfist will not listen.
Because I wish to avoid Edit-Warring, I have chosen not to directly edit the page myself and will instead to defer to you guys.
What should I do?