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It's not for you to decide what is and isn't a persona, but I do agree that the page needs at least a massive clean-up if not a cut altogether, because it's basically just a page full of memes aimed at mocking the host.
Courtesy link: Radio.True Capitalist
We've been over this before here. Ghost is in-character during the show; he doesn't actually believe most of the more ridiculous crap.
As for the so-called "page full of memes," conversation between Ghost and listeners (especially repeat callers) is a large part of what makes the show entertaining. The antics of these repeat callers are certainly tropeable.
I got about 30 words into the intro for that page and it was enough to make me think it needs to be cut.
The lede needs to be cut. The rest of the page isn't quite as bad.
Edited by bwburke94
Please note that the troper suggesting the cut has a personal vendetta against this show (including the host and a few other regular callers). You can check on that on various outside sites, he even called there several times and got into verbal arguments (under the same nickname) so his motives might not be entirely objective.
The name itself doesn’t help either.
... how do you get banned from Gab for hate speech?
That's fucking alt-right Twitter. Being banned for hate speech is just impressive.
From what I gather Ghost and his constant struggle with his trolls are such a thing of internet legend it's kind of a situation where we're almost obligated to discuss it as part of troping web media.
According to the page there's also some evidence of Ghost only being an actor playing a character like his uncanny ability to imitate different voices and his call-in number not actually being a Texas phone number when he claims his show is recorded/broadcast from there.
So he could very well be just a character-actor that's so good at keeping up the kayfabe and never making any of his real-life self public (or at least tied back to his Ghost persona) the illusion is never broken.
Edited by shoboni
Keep in mind that Deagle Nation was believed to be real for years before it finally came out that it was staged.
If Ghost is in character doing the show and in character not doing the show, is it a character? No, it is a personality.
The caller question is problematic. If the No Real Life rule is to be followed strictly, even if we assume Ghost is a character, we wouldn't talk about a single caller here, because we know they are real, because the show has a real call in number. We also wouldn't talk about Ghost talking about other real life people or events. That cuts out the market segment, the news segment, and the call in segment of the show, which is all of the normal segments.
That's not how any of that works.
We allow pages on talk shows that talk about current events, like Stephen Colbert's shows.
Edited by rjd1922
Speaking of Deagle Nation we really need to replace that page quote with one not sourced from an inflammatory website that has a slur in it.
Even if Ghost is a real (and terrible) person, True Capitalist is actual content, not a creator page.
Edited by SatoshiBakura
What slur in the Deagle Nation quote? "Juggalos" just means fans of Insane Clown Posse. That bring said, it does seem overly-complainy (even though it was an Intended Audience Reaction). The second quote is actually from Jace, so the Lolcow Wiki one could be pulled.
I think they're reading 'autistic' as a slur here, since it's clearly being used in a derogatory sense.
Oh, that makes more sense.
Yes, that.
Shoboni, I want to understand your position. Could you elaborate on where you think I am wrong?
We're allowed to trope reality shows by discussing things the people do ON THE SHOW and incidents that heavily involve their work and public appearances.
Troping real people would be something like going to a celebrities Twitter and tabloid stories about them to actually trope their real life in ways that are irrelevant to their career as a media personality.
Even If I granted you that (and I can't because of the issue with the Alex Jones page) You still have to admit that the article is a dumpster fire because of other violations of the real life rule on the show, the globs of YMMV in the main page, and the issue the host himself being a proliferator of abuse, and hate speech.
Alex Jones was a "journalist" with a show explicitly about him reporting news and giving opinions so the lines were blurry and it turned into a page mostly troping Alex Jones the person and not Infowars or his podcasts/vblogs pretty quick.
TCR is much more like Howard Stern where there's a lot more playing up stage personas and shit done purely for entertainment involved and the page seems to do a good job only discussing stuff that happens on the show and not Ghost himself on social media.
Also once again: we are a wiki for discussing and analyzing media so sometimes we have to trope the careers of bad people for the sake of posterity if their careers had pop cultural impact. Like Kevin Spacey or John Kricfalusi
Social media literally drives the show. It is all in the section before you get to any tropes. It is not separable.
The page definitely needs at least a clean-up; in theory it could perhaps be useful to see what a better version of the page would look like, but that may be wasted effort if it is at risk of cutting
The reason Alex Jones was such a mess was because it turned into troping of the real person. With Ghost, there's no "real person" to trope.
The article is a mess for other reasons, but it's best to clean it up instead of cutting it.
I guess cleaning up the page was harder than anyone anticipated. If anything it got worse since this thread started.
Worst-case scenario, we can just lock it and do the cleanup through a sandbox.
It is June now. The page isn't any cleaner.
Radio / True Capitalist probably should be purged like the Alex Jones page Radio
First of all, what he does is not a persona. He really means what he says. Second of all, he has been banned from Gab for hate speech, specifically death threats. He will tell you himself that that was the reason. https://web.archive.org/web/20190121192457/https://ghost.report/2018/12/13/message-from-ghost-is-it-the-last/
Edited by Oflameo