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crazysamaritan MOD Since: Apr, 2010
2019-01-04 06:22:18

Based on the discussion page, we've made a distinction between tropers thinking a work is overhyped and works gaining a reputation for being overhyped since 2010. This isn't a new definition.


Audience-Alienating Premise has not been redefined at all. There's been discussion over if a work that targets a niche audience counts if it alienates the mainstream audience.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
KamonTheSkunk Since: Jul, 2016
2019-01-04 09:48:12

Sorry, but I find the discussion part highly unlikely since no one has used the discussion on that page for 5 years unless I'm missing something.

costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
2019-01-04 10:08:37

You could also bring the point up in the Trope Repair Shop forum.

crazysamaritan MOD Since: Apr, 2010
2019-01-04 12:07:44

You claimed the the definition has been recently changed. I linked to the Hype Backlash discussion page because it hasn't been used in over five years and it supports using the "new criteria" to determine if an example fits. Nothing is getting changed on a whim. The discussion happened years ago. It's there if you want to read it.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
2019-01-04 18:36:35

I'm the trope who's been removing Hype Backlash examples per this, I got permission to remove other misuses. Far as I could tell, Hype Backlash was always about backlash to praise, not disappointment, but it went though Trope Decay to shoehorn in complaining.

There are enough (majority at this point) legit examples examples that it's a legit trope. But a clearer name would help. "Praise Backlash" seems better since this trope is about a works praise, not hype. If you want to take it to TRS I'd support fixing it.

KamonTheSkunk Since: Jul, 2016
2019-01-04 23:38:19

The main problem is the name of the trope. I'm thinking that the main reason for it being misued for such a long time is because of the trope's description doesn't fit the actual name of the trope. People added Hype Backlash to works that were anticipated but disappointing because of the name itself (something has a lot of hype built up behind it, it fails to meet the hype it garnered, fans call out the work for not being as good as the creators made it looked like it would be.)

If anything, the trope's name is far too misleading. Why else do you think it was on so many works that failed to live up to their expectations? Although I also found it somewhat humorous that it took that forum post to get someone to realize that the example had to be removed from nearly every YMMV page. Also that description in that forum post isn't on the actual trope's main page, so people will naturally get confused over what it's supposed to really mean.

Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
2019-01-05 14:07:38

Take this to TRS. Should I create one myself?

KamonTheSkunk Since: Jul, 2016
2019-01-05 23:05:52

Probably. I don't normally start TRS stuff. I usually just edit pages and sometimes post in forums.

SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
2019-01-06 01:53:44

Um, did you guys notice the backlog of TRS topics that nobody has worked on? Also, what is presented here is not quite enough to justify a new TRS thread, we'd need evidence of multiple instances of misuse.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
2019-01-06 02:10:38

I've removed all the misuse I've found. I'm content with that. Maybe once the backlog's cleared...

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