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CrypticMirror Since: Jan, 2001
2018-11-24 14:20:16

I think Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgement applies here, there is no need to drag any current political squabbles onto the wiki. Real life examples only get a place here if it won't cause problems, we're about fiction not reality, and I can see that getting peoples hackles up on all sides of the political divide.

In fact, given the fraught nature of the One-Drop Rule as a trope, I'm not entirely sure it ought to have real life examples at all.

Edited by CrypticMirror
SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2018-11-24 14:20:48

I don't think so. The user who added it in the first place was suspended. See Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgement.

Arctimon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2018-11-24 14:26:30

Why is the example even considered an inversion?

But that aside, I would second keeping the example off the page.

RoundRobin Since: Jun, 2018
2018-11-24 14:38:52

You're right. I thought that it could be salvaged if I removed all mentions of affiliation to a specific political party and hacked off the last sentence, but it's still controversial. It's an... iffy subject, which is why I wanted to discuss it first.

@Satoshi Bakura: I saw the thread discussing that user's edits, and I agree that they were reeeeealy dicey and needed to be axed.

@Cryptic Mirror: I wasn't trying to "drag any current political squabbles onto the wiki" (please don't assume a political agenda, thankyouverymuch). As I said, I have no idea about / no interest in American politics; I just thought it'd be interesting to show a case where someone actually embraces their mixed ancestry. (And no, I don't care to continue this discussion on a political level.)

- Fly, robin, fly! - ...I'm trying!
RoundRobin Since: Jun, 2018
2018-11-24 14:39:43

^ Inversion because most people usually hide their One Drop. But you're right, it should be off the page.

- Fly, robin, fly! - ...I'm trying!
SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
2018-11-25 02:05:52

I was addressing the ban appeal of the troper who added this example and was feeling the same way. This example should better be left off.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2018-11-25 13:44:26

Part of the thing is, Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgement aside (which it absolutely violates) is that the person in question doesn't so much identify with their One Drop as just say "I do have Native ancestry, and my family has stories passed down in the family."

It is only people attacking Warren that say "she identifies as Native even though she's white!" Or liars claiming she only got jobs because of claiming Native status (a lie parroted by the guy who added this example, btw).

It's a strawman, through and through.

Edited by Larkmarn Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.
RoundRobin Since: Jun, 2018
2018-11-27 03:05:10

Hey, there's no need to convince me; I was sold on the "don't add it" as soon as people mentioned the political implications behind it. My only reason for even bothering with this is that I've seen several legitimately valid examples being tainted by political or religious fanatics, which sometimes are salvageable after trimming out all the hate-mongering.

TLDR: Example violates the ROCEJ, which is more than enough reason for me to leave it out.

Thanks for the advice, guys :)

- Fly, robin, fly! - ...I'm trying!
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2018-11-27 06:05:46

Word.

I was mostly making my post because the guy in Edit/Banned was going "but it totally should go there, guys" and, well, I can't reply so I figured here was as good a place to make the statement just in case he tries to readd it.

Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.
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