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Fighteer MOD (Time Abyss)
2018-10-17 06:43:59

Suspended, reverted. Incidentally, this is yet another case of YMMV for unreleased works, something we'd like to move towards eliminating.

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TheNerfGuy Since: Mar, 2011
2018-10-17 09:34:32

If an unreleased work has a YMMV page, should it at least be locked, if not cutlisted entirely until the work is released?

StardustSoldier Since: Aug, 2017
2018-10-17 10:02:19

I agree that not having YMMV pages for upcoming works is a good idea. Seems like it often just leads to a lot of knee-jerk reactions, and probably creates more trouble than it's worth.

Edited by StardustSoldier
crazysamaritan MOD Since: Apr, 2010
2018-10-17 10:06:20

We've had knee-jerk Speculative Troping on the main page for unreleased works as well, just not as many as YMMV recently. We've said, as a wiki, that episode Recap pages aren't allowed to be made until the work is officially released, so it would be more consistent if we forbid any pages being made until the release (exception made for Darth Wiki).

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CrypticMirror Since: Jan, 2001
2018-10-17 10:32:15

Or at least restricted to information present in the trailer only.

Gosicrystal Since: Jun, 2016
2018-10-17 11:07:36

Thumbs up for forbidding YMMV pages until release.

Edited by Gosicrystal
TheNerfGuy Since: Mar, 2011
2018-10-17 11:52:47

Shall it be restored? I'll link to this query in the edit reason.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2018-10-17 12:02:53

Ah, the good ol' "no, it's the people who complain about racism who are the real racists" defense. Bold strategy, especially when it was readded by a Mod Revert and extending an edit war.

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WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2018-10-17 12:10:26

I don't know if it should be restored being that it's a YMMV entry for an unreleased film, and it's probably preferable to not have any examples up now regardless of validity because these reactions are speculative.

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miraculous (Apprentice)
2018-10-17 12:34:09

Honestly Im in favour of their not being a ymmv page untill after the work releases. The page ends up filled with stuff that often turns out to just be speculation anyway and we often get lots of complaining.

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010
2018-10-17 13:14:22

I want to throw in another vote for prohibiting YMMV pages for unreleased works. I can't think of anything good that's ever come from them.

dragonfire5000 Since: Jan, 2001
2018-10-17 13:38:02

I'll throw in my vote for prohibiting YMMV pages for unreleased works. Hopefully it cuts down on the wonking and whining.

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costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
2018-10-17 13:47:23

I vote for prohibiting unreleased works’ YMMV as they invariably consist mostly of speculation.

Edited by costanton11
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2018-10-17 13:53:36

The only thing that I worry about is losing pre-release Memetic Mutation, but that's hardly a huge deal.

Also, it seems like it would be a pretty difficult thing to manage logistically, since in theory it would mean locking every YMMV page until the release date. Maybe have it as more of a zero tolerance policy for YMMV pages of unreleased works; if they breed drama it's "cut/lock first, ask questions later"?

Anyhoo, for the time being I'm restoring the example, citing this thread and the fact that there was already a mod revert on it.

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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
2018-10-17 14:20:45

I think the discussion of banning pre-release YMMV should get its own thread.

WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
2018-10-17 15:03:05

Of course, they could still put the example on the pages themselves.

KamonTheSkunk Since: Jul, 2016
2018-10-17 15:14:38

My two cents: So what do we do with the works that have YMMV pages that haven't been released now like Kingdom Hearts 3? Delete everything on the pages and lock it until it's finally been released?

And what about when a new work is announced and someone makes a page for it? Are we going to just automatically prevent people from making a YMMV page immediately after it's made? Because if that's the idea, then the new page would have to have a mod making sure it's locked almost as soon as a work is made to keep people from making a YMMV for it.

RoundRobin Since: Jun, 2018
2018-10-17 16:16:43

Locking YMMV pages for unreleased works will, imho, be very good in the long run. That way, we won't have to proof-read entire walls of text gushing over a single shot of the trailer, which is probably taken out of context and means something completely different, anyway. Not to mention that most of the pre-release material has to be corrected when the film/series is released.

As far as the original entry is concerned, I think it's not Unfortunate Implications, but Values Dissonance. In the era the book/film is taking place, seeing a non-white as expendable was the norm. And, again, until we know what happened exactly, it's probably best to leave it out. I mean, Nagini could have volunteered to become a soul vessel. (Unlikely, I know.)

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nombretomado (Season 1)
2018-10-17 16:18:26

Start a forum thread, please. Locking as this has gone beyond the original query scope.

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