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Are we doing that? Because my understanding, based on past experience and the Is This an Example thread is that the above is misuse.
My understanding of he trope is when a work flops and that failure can be linked to something about the premise turning off people who might have otherwise been interested.
I alsways thought it meant just weird or hard to accept concept.
The thing is that a weird premise wouldn't necessarily alienate the audience. Hence my understanding that the work also has to fail because of it.
OP, where are you getting that impression? I think a source would help a lot here.
Look right on the page
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AudienceAlienatingPremise
I was browsing The Lion King 2019 page and I saw the trope removed. The most recent edit:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.TheLionKing2019
I saw that it was another mod, Fighteer that added it to the main page.
Edited by KamonTheSkunkThat has nothing to do with "failing to meet expectations", it's for when the work can't get any hype to begin with because of the off-putting premise.
Current Project: The TeamDo you have examples of this misuse?
"People don't like this work's premise" is a completely useless trope. It carries no empirical value whatsoever. Audience-Alienating Premise can only apply if a work fails to achieve its intended results and it can be shown that this is because people didn't buy it because they didn't understand or were turned off by the concept.
Otherwise it's just people wanking their hate-boners all over the YMMV subpage. In fact, we are on the verge of proscribing all YMMV examples for unreleased works on the premise that it's wankery.
Edited by Fighteer "It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"We already have a similar rule for Speculative Troping. A requirement that six months pass to observe any subjective reactions would probably be included on that page.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.Isn't an Audience-Alienating Premise when a work fails to appeal to its targeted niche? The way the page is written right now makes it sound like it's about any work that doesn't appeal to a mainstream general audience. The page gives works featuring fanservice based on incest as an example of something that may cause this reaction, but if you find incest repulsive, you're clearly not part of the intended audience and therefore the fact that the premise alienates you is irrelevant.
Now, if the work did feature lots of incest-based fanservice, but ends up as a deconstruction of the subject (for example, the main character knocks up his sister and the resulting child ends up deformed), it would qualify as an AAP since the intended audience (people who find incest sexy) would be put off by how the relationship is presented negatively.
I'm starting to think Audience-Alienating Premise needs to be sent to the repair shop.
Jawbreakers on sale for 99¢My understanding of the trope was 'critics and audiences alike were alienated,' such as Yu-Gi-Oh! The Movie: Pyramid of Light getting savaged by critics, who couldn't understand it without having watched the show and saw it as a 90-minute commercial for cards, and disliked by most fans for having a Generic Doomsday Villain and not adding anything interesting to the series. (I love the movie, though XD) Another example would be The Emoji Movie, which had among many other common complaints that nobody wanted a movie about emojis and it was impossible to create a 'hook' to get people to want to see it instead of watching it to snark at it.
The Protomen enhanced my life.I think the article would make sense if it was restricted to commercial works going for a mainstream audience. If it's a case of Doing It for the Art, it doesn't apply (though it does if there are producers backing it). If it's going for a niche audience (like most manga and HBO series) and fails to appeal to them, it's about execution. If it's appealing to different demographics and fails to capture any, it's Uncertain Audience. On these grounds, maybe we should restrict it to A-list films, AAA games, prime-time television and maybe circus acts.
Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.Circus acts?
Jawbreakers on sale for 99¢For animal cruelty and so on.
Discord: Waido X 255#1372 If you cant contact me on TV Tropes do it here.I don't see the point of restricting it to main-stream works, though restricting it to commercial failures is important. Basically, a niche work can fail just as badly as a mainstream work relative to the other works of the niche genre, and that failure can be for it's premise. A work marketed specifically to teenage polka fans for example isn't likely to be a success if the work is about a middle-aged person trying to abolish polka music, because the premise doesn't work. What might be needed is a citation to establish that the failure of the work was due to the premise.
That said, this isn't quite relevant to the OP's query, which is about the idea that Audience-Alienating Premise is the new Hype Backlash, which isn't true.
Current Project: The TeamUm, why is this discussion here?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanApparently because people are still confused on what even the trope IS! Some apparently think it's when a movie fails to reach it's target audience when in reality from what I read it's when a movie can't reach an audience AT ALL! Honestly I don't know where they're getting that.
Perhaps this should be closed and moved to Trope Talk?
Edited by Arivne
So now we're deciding that not only will it apply to works that have been released, we're basically making it the new Hype Backlash and can only add if it fails to meet expectations for the hype it garnered? From that basis alone, it basically means that every example will be purged since the trope used to be the new Broken Base ie a premise of anything that a group of people will find not worth recommending because of the idea or morals it offers. And maybe this could be because of People Sitting On Chairs I don't do much other than edit some pages, but it's still baffling.