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heartshiningg
Since: Sep, 2014
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heartshiningg
Since: Sep, 2014
2018-07-26 20:36:25
Here it is: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13543987200A54420100&page=237#comment-5922

So I'm having a discussion with Elf Kaiser to decide what is the right or best info to conclude on for the Vampire Clan, and Gelda specifically, section on the tv tropes pg for NNT and the question/problem basically boils down to whether or not the Vampire Clan possesses longevity like all the other clans except humans or are they immortal. Its when we find an answer to that that we will be able to decide whether or not one of Gelda's tropes, "Who wants to live forever", is a downplayed trope for her.
So my opinion on the matter is that they possess or at least implied to have longevity(I think it says so on the NNT wiki as well). I gave my reasons that it was because of the Q&A corner where Suzuki answered that the Fairy King probably has a longer life span than the rest of the clans(Giant, Demon, Vampire, etc- It is also stated in the NNT wiki under The Fairy King Harlequinn) which would imply that the Vampire Clan are not immortal but they do have longevity/are long lived(which means they age slowly). I went to confirm it with experienced translators on discord (from otakumole.com if you have ever heard of it - they where once Raffmanga but they changed domains) and they said it, the answer Suzuki gave, can be translated as "out of all the species/races" so I still believe he meant compared to all the other clans(https://sta.sh/2qt6tp18ggd)
as the clans are different species from each other.(I can provide the discord link if need be so you can check to see if they are legit). I also went on the tropes pg for Vampires to look for characteristics that are commonly portrayed for them. And the baseline rules listed for them, regarding age, is that they can be "The Ageless" or "Long-Lived"(I took note that they can still be called undead, regardless, as long they can "come back to life" and the undead trope is mentioned for the vampire tropes).
So I came to the conclusion since that Vampires, as according to the tropes, can be either "The Ageless" or "Long-Lived" that the Vampire Clan for NNT has been portrayed or at least implied to posses longevity or age slowly like the other clans except humans. I took note that even though "Long-lived" is listed with "The Ageless" under the immortality tropes that they say that it, long lived, is not an immortality tropes but a long-lived trope. I also took the discussion, regarding whether Suzuki was referring to the clans or just within the fairy clan, to the NNT Reddit where members are very much active are contribute to the info of NNT towards the wiki and here and they/majority ultimately said that they were referring to the clans and not just the within the Fairy clan.(https://www.reddit.com/r/NanatsunoTaizai/comments/91imq7/help_me_settle_this_discussion_on_the_fairy_king/)
. *I took the discussion to the NNT reddit because one of the mod gave us a link to help us with our discussion(from the previous Ask The Tropes post that Elfkaiser put - https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=66366&type=att)
and one of the tips in the solution was that it the tropes should "Make sure that the example makes sense to both people who don't know the work AND don't know the trope."(https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13543987200A54420100)
and the NNT redditors would be considered those who don't know the trope..
The OP argument is that Suzuki wasn't referring to the other clans and just only within the Fairy Clan or just the Fair King vairiety thus the Vampires are immortal/eternal life and he concluded that the Q&A question was not good enough to support my stance as the vampires clan nor others aren't mentioned. He gave further support by saying that they are stated to be undead, as mentioned by King, and thus have immortality and are the typical run of the mill vampire.
Neither of us are budging so I decided it would be best to ask the tropes on whether the vampires posses longevity thus showing that it would be a Downplayed ex for Gelda in the Who Wants to Live Forever? trope