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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2018-04-30 10:51:36

So, I can't check the history because of spoilers, but has thekaizerreich edited the page to remove the example? If so, that's blatantly ignoring extended discussion (that other than Andy Yagami almost entirely said "it applied"), and they should know better because after their last ban they were told to observe the ROCEJ.

To be perfectly honest, Yagami was just effectively going I Reject Your Reality on that discussion page and talking down to other users.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
2018-04-30 10:57:58

For what it's worth: Kaizerreich has been suspended at least once before for edit warring on Black Panther

Edited by sgamer82
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2018-04-30 11:52:35

So, for those averse to spoilers, what, precisely, has happened in those edits? Because the discussion page is overwhelmingly in favor of counting it as an example.

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TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
2018-04-30 12:41:32

So far Kaiser has only edited once to add a bit clearly meant to paint the two guys arrested in Starbucks as in the wrong. He hasn't personaly edit warred in this instance, though it's agenda-based all the same.

Edited by TheRoguePenguin
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2018-04-30 13:14:43

Was kaizer readding something previously removed (thus edit-warring even if they didn't initially add it), or is the issue less one of edit-warring and more just agenda-based editing (from a troper with a history of Nazi apologia, among other issues)?

I note that a troper Capsarc apparently uncommented out ("Commented in?") the example, currently written in "the incident wasn't racist and they were actually criminals" mode.

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NubianSatyress Since: Mar, 2016
2018-04-30 15:25:16

The part about the incident being the Black customers' fault is what Kaizer added. Not edit-warring but explicitly wording the example to pick a side.

NubianSatyress Since: Mar, 2016
2018-05-01 12:55:01

Just going to point out that on Analysis.All Germans Are Nazis, Tropers.The Kaizerreich added the oft-used factoid by Nazi sympathizers that the "Soviet Union killed more people than the Nazis".

I'm no WW 2 historian, and there's way too much to unpack about this, but my understanding is that this statement is a gross oversimplification of the heinous acts of both parties.

lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012
2018-05-01 13:34:25

^ oh yeh. that's like saying Al Qaida killed more people than IS, so IS isn't bad, but even more simple and ignorant to context.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2018-05-01 19:59:49

Yes, that's one of (but not the only) example of Nazi apologia they've posted.

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nombretomado (Season 1)
2018-05-01 20:22:08

Andy Yagami has been called in by another mod, prior to this report.

TheKaizerreich Since: Jan, 2015
2018-05-04 07:46:00

I want to clarify a couple things. This is not the first time Nubian Satyress has complained about me, and the last time it happened (the aforementioned Black Panther page), as far as I am concerned she was in the wrong; I was let off the hook. The edit I made regarding Infinity War was a clarifiation of the event described: the security footage is available online, and I like thousands others have seen it. The 2 black guys were in the wrong here, there is no doubt about it, and that was ALL I have added. This is not taking sides, this is preventing getting a wrong impression. Everything else regarding an Edit War came afterwards. If you, and by you I mean "You, Nubian Satyress" cannot take the truth because of your black agenda, then just remove the example entirely. I believe in "truth or nothing". Accusing me of being a FUCKING NAZI is pretty much the lowest possible thing you could do, I lost over two dozen relatives in the Holocaust and my country still has a habit for bringing it up every time they can. You are a disgraceful person and should be ashamed. Also, lastly, I am a girl!

Edit: I also saw mention of another edit I did, well frankly that is what I learned in school (I am nearly 30, so maybe new facts were discovered since then), it is not intended as some form of apologia. If that is indeed considered false these days, then I am genuinely sorry for it as it would be stupid and hypocritical.

Edited by TheKaizerreich
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2018-05-04 08:08:45

I'd love to see that security footage, actually. That's news to me. Though even if that's the case, the incident can still be racial. Kinda like how black people being four times more likely to be arrested for possession of pot indicates racist practices by police even though they are, in fact, guilty of what they're accused of.

The best way to stop being accused of Nazi apologia is to not edit in Nazi apologia. "Both-sides"ing WWII and editing in a Heartwarming moment supporting the myth of the clean Wehrmacht with is not a good look, period. And for someone that's "truth or nothing," such a long, controversial entry based on something you vaguely remember from school is an odd choice, to say the least.

And it's bad form to ignore the Discussion page (and I'm sure you're aware of discussion pages) on an example that is clearly contentious when the Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment is in effect.

EDIT: Wait, how do you think you weren't in the wrong in the Black Panther thing? You broke several rules to further an agenda, were suspended, and the edits you made are gone. If you don't think you were in the wrong, then you seem to fundamentally disagree with the site which deemed your actions "pretty dang in the wrong."

EDIT EDIT: Actually, I have to point out the ridiculousness of you taking such umbridge to being called a Nazi (not that anyone actually did that, people just pointed out that your edits were Nazi sympathizing, which is true) given your username and Troper page calling yourself a member of the "Grammar Gestapo." If being compared or associated with Nazis is such a major issue for you, you would think that you wouldn't go out of your way to invite said comparison.

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TheKaizerreich Since: Jan, 2015
2018-05-04 09:23:26

Ok, in order: - "Can be racial" =/= IS racial. "More often arrested" because of "commit more crime" =/= "more often arrested because racism". A friend of me who is an actual journalist commented: "Police generally work on the basis of statistics and if the statistics indicate that certain crimes are tied more often to certain demographics, they check people of that demographic more frequently as they are more likely to catch someone. But acknowledging the reality that among criminals, blacks in the US are the leading demographic is [according to you people] evil nazi wrongthink already."

- Facts are not nazi apologia.

- If you want me to provide proof of the story I shared, I will do some research if it comes up in history books, there should be something - I lived in that region and that grave exists, so there should be photos of it. But I am sure you will just pretend it does not exist, even if I showed you these photos.

- Again, facts are not apologia. If the example is contentious, either remove it entirely or write what actually happened. TV Tropes is not here to lie to people.

- I frankly do not care about Discussion Pages if nobody invites me to the discussion. I only came across this example here by chance and answered because it is another blatant misrepresentation of what has happened. Not the first time.

- I did not pursue as agenda other than "being correct", Nubian Sartyress overreacted, I explained my stances and was let off the hook. Please do not misrepresent what happened. If the edits are gone or not is irrelevant, pages change all the time.

- Calling it nazi-sympathy is, in my country, the same as being called a nazi. Maybe you cannot see the connection, but we do. In fact you can go to prison for such an accusation, so again, you better be careful there.

- For the Grammar Gestapo thing? That is a JOKE, not a serious statement, but apparently even joking is illegal on TV Tropes these days. For clarification, it refers to Illiteracy Communist and Grammar Nazi, neither of which are literal terms. My username meanwhile is a reference to a song called "Kaizerreich" by Hanzel Und Gretyl, a Greek-American heavy metal band who parody nazis. If you do not get the reference, maybe you should ask first. Also, even IF it was not a reference as indicated by the spelling (there is a "z" for Buddha's sake), the actual Kaiserreich was a monarchy and came before even the Weimar Republic (a democracy), so they are not related to nazis at all. For someone who complaints about me doing bad historical fact checking, you sure are not any better at it.

Also, consider this my official resignation. I have seen enough leftie crap infest this website. I am done. I have edited this website since at least 2011, but all good things must come to an end. The constant misrepresentation of people, the faulty rulings, the censorship and, most of all, letting an apparent supremacist like Nubian Satyress run rampant is getting to me. Delete this comment, bury this thread, I am done and will stop caring. No more edits from me. Cheer for getting rid of me if you want, even that I do no longer care about. Bye.

PDL (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2018-05-04 09:50:47

Nice meltdown.

Anyway, I think it would be appropriate if we locked the YMMV page for a while, as it seems like more then one ATT has been made about it.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2018-05-04 09:55:13

Yeah, actually, white people use marijuana just as much, if not more than black people. Yet black people get arrested at a rate of four times as much. Funny, that. See, that's the thing. For someone who claims to be on a crusade about the truth, you seem to selectively ignore certain truths to push a certain narrative.

And you're right. Facts are not apologia. But as per Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics, true facts and statistics can be used to lie. Presenting facts without necessary context or in incorrect context can be used to mislead even if nothing said is technically false. If your aim is to spread "truth," please do keep that in mind.

But okay. Bye.

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AegisP Since: Oct, 2014
2018-05-04 21:34:17

"All good things must come to an end"

Thank goodness nothing good ended here.

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
nombretomado (Season 1)
2018-05-04 22:14:47

Well, that closed the door neatly. Goodbye.

Since both tropers in the original post have had action taken, the page will not be locked at this time.

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