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jameygamer Since: May, 2014
2017-12-05 16:44:16

That's Edit War. zealots added and readded it. Should I PM them?

Do we need a YMMV page for this guy?

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Candi Since: Aug, 2012
2017-12-05 16:50:00

Miles Morales can have a YMMV page, Bendis doesn't get one because he's a real person. That'd be Trivia, anyway.

PM zealots and let him know exactly what constitutes an edit war here.

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jameygamer Since: May, 2014
2017-12-05 17:01:26

Sent him a PM detailing what makes an Edit War. Said PM includes a link back here.

zealots Since: Jul, 2015
2017-12-05 22:15:13

I'm here, with thanks to Tropers/{jameygamer} for the heads up. As I noted in my edit, Bendis's own adopted son and daughter bear a heavy physical resemblance to Miles and Riri respectively, a fact which has been noted on several boards discussing comics. I think it indecent to actually post pictures of his children here or anywhere else, but if absolutely necessary I can provide links to clarify this position. Saying this is "false", as Grigorii does, is disingenuous, as Bendis has neither confirmed nor denied this, only saying Miles was supposedly modeled on Glover. Whether one truly believes Miles and Riri were modeled on Bendis's children is subjective (and academic at this date), but given the heavy resemblances and the fact that said resemblances have been a large factor in the Base-Breaking Character nature of both characters, I think it worth noting on the YMMV board. Purposefully omitting it seems to be an attempt to censor part of what makes (or made, now) Bendis such a polarizing writer to readers.

zealots Since: Jul, 2015
2017-12-05 22:15:13

(Edited for accidental double-post.)

Edited by zealots
zealots Since: Jul, 2015
2017-12-05 22:19:46

Apologies for the double-post.

Candi Since: Aug, 2012
2017-12-05 23:21:41

1) That's Trivia, not YMMV, which involves Audience reactions and such. "Resembling" and 'deliberately based on' are two different things as far as Trivia and YMMV are concerned.

2) Grigor II links to an interview which states otherwise. That's Word of God on the issue.

3) This is a privately owned website. Censorship and First Amendment involve what the government gets up to. Here, the rules on what information goes where, if it goes up, prevail.

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zealots Since: Jul, 2015
2017-12-06 00:00:15

1) The resemblance itself I will grant you, but could you explain to me how the Audience reaction to these characters was pointing out their resemblance to his children was not an Audience reaction? What you're saying seems to me that this needs splitting into two areas, Trivia for the resemblance itself and YMMV for the Audience reaction to said resemblance. Am I understanding what you are saying correctly?

2) Grigorii's interview does not "state otherwise", it states that "Glover influenced the creation of Miles Morales" with no mention at all of any influence his children had or did not have on their creation. This interview is dated to 2011, so it actually predates the creation of the Riri Williams character by 5 years.

3) Point taken.

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
2017-12-06 00:29:33

I think that such an item should go on the YMMV page for the work concerned, if anywhere.

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GrigorII Since: Aug, 2011
2017-12-06 04:36:28

Question 1: Candi said that real persons do not get YMMV pages. Is that correct? If so, the whole page should be cut.

Question 2: Zealots, you say that it is indecent to link to images of Bendis' children. But bringing them up in some kind of conspiracy theory is not?

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2017-12-06 05:58:38

Creators can get YMMV if they're about their works (as in, not about their personal lives) and there's no more appropriate page for them.

Also, Grigor, somehow I doubt Miles is based on Danny Glover. The man famous for playing a cantankerous nearing retirement guy whose catch-phrase is "I'm too old for this shit." Maybe you mean Donald Glover?

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GrigorII Since: Aug, 2011
2017-12-06 06:14:57

Yes, that's correct. Zealots added the wrong link to the YMMV page, and I copied it when I was writing the initial post here, and I did not notice the mistake. I will fix the initial post.

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GrigorII Since: Aug, 2011
2017-12-07 08:35:02

What do we do about the entry, then? We leave it or we remove it?

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zealots Since: Jul, 2015
2017-12-10 11:55:14

@Grigori: Ordinarily, yes, but as Bendis rather blatantly based Miles and Riri off them (it's hardly a "conspiracy" when they're literally drawn as physically identical) it bears noting. Perhaps on their respective character pages, since the YMMV page was cut. And Larkman is correct, going back to read at the interview in question, the Glover in question cited was Donald.

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