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sgamer82
Since: Jan, 2001

Never a Self-Made Woman needs a lot of cleanup in the examples. Many of the entries are just "this woman received some help from a man, therefore she have no agency in involving herself with the plot" when the trope description specifies that the man has to be more important than they are. It's not supposed to be that any work that lacks a Self-Made Woman is guilty of this trope. Especially in works where lineage and pedigree are important aspects of backstories regardless of gender.
The very first example (Shizuka Jounouchi) seems valid enough, but already the second example is pushing it. The Hellsing entry seems to reflect a totally different kind of trope about discrimination against women. The specific examples given for Naruto fit, but that same entry acknowledges they're not the norm which loops back to making itself questionable. Fullmetal Alchemist plays with the trope so much it screams of Square Peg Round Trope. The Pet Shop Of Horrors is an unambiguous subversion so it fits this trope. Jackals is an inversion/aversion when the trope description states that such examples should not be here.
And on and on and on. Perhaps the trope description needs to be made more specific in the first place?
Edited by AlleyOop