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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2017-01-04 05:57:33

Wow, that's genuinely nonsensical. Even for that page. Which is saying a lot.

Weren't we discussing removing these tropes, though? Because seriously, they're cute but they invite some wild shoehorns.

EDIT: Yes, here. I agree with Past-Larkmarn... moving the examples that don't actually pertain to the rules and treat Chess like an epic narrative to a Just for Fun page. Because even accepting examples like Action Girl for the Queen, there are some amazing shoehorns (Critical Existence Failure and Glass Cannon are nonsense, Deliberately Monochrome is "well, it sort of fits the trope name but not the trope in the slightest" and it goes on and on).

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2017-01-05 06:41:40

Additionally, there are a lot of examples that simply have to go. Many of them aren't about the game itself, but about the players, which is just troping real life. For example, the examples for Broken Pedestal, Child Prodigy, and probably countless others just plain have no place on a TV Tropes page.

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GnomeTitan Since: Aug, 2013
2017-01-05 13:33:01

Yes, the chess page is a real mess. I'm inclined to think that an abstract game such as chess shouldn't be treated as a work: there's simply no story to trope. There's just the narratives we make up about chess and the real people playing it; but the first should be troped as separate works and the second shouldn't be troped at all. Chess would be more fitting for a Useful Note than a Work page. But that's a matter for TRS.

Fighteer MOD (Time Abyss)
2017-01-05 13:50:54

I concur with starting a TRS to move Chess to Useful Notes. The game itself is not a work as we define it.

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crazysamaritan MOD Since: Apr, 2010
2017-01-05 14:28:25

It's reasonably common enough to get both pages.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
DustSnitch Since: Mar, 2013
2017-01-05 14:50:17

Chess should definitely have a page. It may not have a defined narrative, but it does have gameplay, aesthetic elements, a metagame, and as much validity as any of the other Tabletop Games on this Wiki.

I agree that it needs clean-up (especially on the Characters sub-page,) but moving or cutting the page is far too drastic as the first measure in the face of an improvable page.

MorningStar1337 Since: Nov, 2012
supergod Since: Jun, 2012
2017-01-05 19:03:42

I'm on the fence about games like chess, but I'll save it for the TRS thead.

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