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Fighteer MOD (Time Abyss)
2016-12-21 07:49:25

Well, are we talking about tropes or about the analysis of media culture? Because the latter isn't really the purpose of TV Tropes.

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MrDeath Since: Aug, 2009
2016-12-21 10:25:01

Not everything is a trope.

Furienna Since: Nov, 2013
2016-12-21 11:20:40

Well, that one still sounds pretty much like "Deader than disco" to me. To be fair though, it seems like the situation behind this comic's decline is described pretty well in the summarization on the work page. And that is maybe enough.

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GnomeTitan Since: Aug, 2013
2016-12-21 13:53:46

Furienna, you seem to be looking for a trope "A work is very popular for a time but then becomes almost forgotten". It might be better to ask in Trope Finder about that.

And I think the reason it was removed from Deader Than Disco is that it doesn't quite fit that trope. Isn't Deader Than Disco "X was very popular but then became widely despised or even hated"? And from the example, Lil Abner is almost forgotten but not hated.

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HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
2016-12-21 22:14:55

And what hatred the entry DOES describe mostly has to do with the creators' personal scandal. That's something that could go under Overshadowed by Controversy maybe, but not here. To the extent that his political views directly affected the work, it could go under Seasonal Rot, but DTD requires it to be so hated that even the early stuff from when it was popular is retroactively hated, and it doesn't sound like that's the case here.

Xtifr Since: Jan, 2001
2016-12-22 09:47:48

Bottom line: preserving examples of tropes in works might be worth some effort. Preserving examples of people complaining about works: not so much. A little less negativity and complaining on the wiki is by no means a bad thing.

We honestly do not need to document every scandal every creator has been involved with. Some...well, it's hard to imagine mentioning the creator without mentioning the scandal (the author of Mein Kampf, for example, who literally started a world war). But with others...it's frequently little more than a footnote in history, and our goal is not to document history; it's to document fiction. Let's leave the minor, petty scandals to sites where they're more relevant.

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GnomeTitan Since: Aug, 2013
2016-12-22 10:17:05

The fact that Lil Abner used to be huge but now is almost forgotten is interesting and can have bearing on other works. Some discussion of the reasons can be warranted. But the scandals surrounding Al Capp are outside our scope.

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GnomeTitan Since: Aug, 2013
2016-12-22 10:17:05

[Yes, I know that you heard me the first time. The dread double-post demon doesn't agree, though]

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