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maxwellsilver Since: Sep, 2011
2016-07-01 12:10:04

Yes. And that includes films like Plan 9 From Outer Space.

supergod Since: Jun, 2012
2016-07-01 12:49:02

I thought as much, but I feel that I'll be met with some resistance if I try to get rid of some of it.

For we shall slay evil with logic...
Someoneman Since: Nov, 2011
2016-07-01 15:10:46

What about trope descriptions? Is it okay for a trope to say something like "this trope is a frequent source of Narm"?

supergod Since: Jun, 2012
2016-07-01 16:46:48

It's fine for trope descriptions.

For we shall slay evil with logic...
war877 Since: Dec, 2015
2016-07-01 17:35:37

You cannot discuss plan 9 without mentioning So Bad It's Good. Failing to link to So Bad Its Good when it is discussed is also bad.

Someoneman Since: Nov, 2011
2016-07-02 18:02:11

^ That's also been bothering me. I know putting YMMV potholes in a work's trope list is bad (in fact, I made a cleanup thread specifically for this), but if a YMMV trope is really important to a work's history, it feels kind of odd to just ignore it.

DarkHunter Since: Jan, 2001
2016-07-02 21:52:07

In my mind, that's what the YMMV page is for. The main page should remain as neutral as possible. Even if the work is unanimously hated as a piece of garbage, the fact that it is and the reasons why should go on YMMV, because that's an audience reaction.

Edited by DarkHunter
war877 Since: Dec, 2015
2016-07-02 22:46:54

^Sir, YMMV is not darth. Keeping YMMV stuff off the main page does not advance the cause of neutrality. YMMV stuff is kept off the main page for other reasons.

DarkHunter Since: Jan, 2001
2016-07-03 02:10:17

I didn't mean to suggest YMMV should be used as a dumping ground for hatred.

We're talking hypotheticals here, right? We have some imaginary show that, shall we say, the vast majority of people did not like. This isn't just a matter of opinion, but a fact that the majority did not like it.

So the question is, does the description in the main page make mention of that fact? I say, no. The fact that the show is hated by a majority can be noted in YMMV, since it is an audience reaction. And it can be noted in an objective manner, rather than just ripping the show apart with hate.

supergod Since: Jun, 2012
2016-07-03 05:04:32

Personally, I think its fine to mention reactions to really notorious works, by which I mean works that are widely known more for their reputation than their content (like the aforementioned Plan 9 From Outer Space), and not just among a few nerds aping internet reviewers.

If the reception is mentioned in the description, it should be mentioned in the same way Wikipedia would, without giving the impression that we agree or disagree with it, however.

Still not sure whether YMMV pages should be potholed or not, though. Probably not, since I don't think we'd pothole a positive trope on famously good films like Citizen Kane or The Godfather.

For we shall slay evil with logic...
war877 Since: Dec, 2015
2016-07-03 06:13:16

Sorry for being blunt. Hatred is covered by darth, not audience reactions. That's why So Bad Its Horrible is Darth and not YMMV. Your argument is solid for keeping a So Bad Its Horrible mention off a work page.

^Link, don't pothole. If the audience reaction does not come up in natural discourse, then it doesn't belong.

Edited by war877
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