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wrm5 Since: Mar, 2014
2015-10-22 15:41:49

I don't think there's a page, but I can explain it to you.

Basically, when you see a troper do something wrong - nattering, zero context examples, that sort of thing.

As for what it DOES, it just sends that troper a standardized PM explaining what they've done wrong. It doesn't alert the mods, or ban them, or anything else. It JUST sends the person a PM.

Edited by wrm5
StFan Since: Jan, 2001
2015-10-22 16:04:41

Please note, though, that the mods can check out how many such editing issue messages a troper had received when a problematic editor is brought to their attention.

Candi Since: Aug, 2012
2015-10-22 18:42:55

You can also write your own PM if a standing message doesn't cover it. Just be polite. :p

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randomsurfer Since: Jan, 2001
2015-10-23 07:43:15

The fact that it took three people to say this much suggests that an official page is in order.

Also, how long after sending a message should you wait without any action before following up? And how to follow up? Another message, PM, doxing here, etc?

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2015-10-23 08:07:31

If they repeat the behavior after sending a message, then you should alert the staff. Usually by posting here.

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randomsurfer Since: Jan, 2001
2015-10-23 08:18:40

How about if they don't correct the incident that initiated the message? Like if the problem is for Example Indentation on Trope X. The message is (paraphrased) "hey, you didn't do example indentation right on Trope X. Please look at the Example Indentation page and then go fix what you did" but they don't reply to your message and they don't fix it on the Trope X page.

Edited by randomsurfer
MyFinalEdits (Spin-off Series)
2015-10-23 08:31:21

Do what I do: When I start seeing the same troper name when I spot indentation/natter mistakes, I go to the mailbox and Ctrl+F that name. More often than not, I'll notice that I sent multiple (10 to 15) Issue Helpers to the troper before, and then check the troper's editing history. If I see multiple editing issues in them, then I proceed to prepare a report here in ATT: The number of times I sent them messages, whether they ever replied to me and/or compromised to improve their edits. and finally links to the most recent offenses.

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randomsurfer Since: Jan, 2001
2015-10-24 07:47:33

I'm not checking the other troper's edits, but let us stipulate for this discussion that the troper in question has not repeated the mistake. They are example indenting just fine. But on this one page, they didn't. Having been messaged, they didn't go back and fix it. They also didn't respond to the message asking them to go back and fix it.

I seem to recall some complaints here and/or in the Edit Banned thread about tropers not responding to messages, like that itself was not right.

wrm5 Since: Mar, 2014
2015-10-24 11:52:14

It's possible they didn't realize they were being asked to fix it. Often times people will send a notifier of what the issue was before fixing it themselves.

You might want to send a second PM (manually this time) explaining that you did not fix it yourself and that they need to do so.

If they STILL don't respond, then you have a problem.

MyFinalEdits (Spin-off Series)
2015-10-24 11:59:25

"If they STILL don't respond, then you have a problem."

More like they have a problem. Unless you meant to say "a problem at hand"

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wrm5 Since: Mar, 2014
2015-10-24 12:08:55

No. I meant that you have a problem. If someone isn't responding to you then clearly it means you're a failure at life and a horrible person. Otherwise, everyone would respond to you with a five page PM within seconds.

But seriously, you KNOW what I meant. Do you just get a kick out of insulting people over pedantic gibberish?

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
2015-10-24 12:31:32

If you send a message, it's not a guarantee that they'll fix the issue themselves. I don't know whether we should expect that. If they have been messaged and they keep doing the same thing wrong, you can either try to write a more personalized message by hand or call a moderator.

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wrm5 Since: Mar, 2014
2015-10-24 13:12:53

Well, I think it would be fair to say that if you've sent them multiple messages and they're still committing the same offense, that's a message that they're not getting the hint and need moderator intervention.

I think a good question would be, how many notifiers should be considered acceptable before you call a mod?

MyFinalEdits (Spin-off Series)
2015-10-24 14:29:53

I'd say five. Though in most cases my experience I only see a trend after 8-10 messages.

Also, I invite you to take this easy, your last message to me was very mean-spirited.

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wrm5 Since: Mar, 2014
2015-10-24 14:40:20

I invite you to think before you speak... er, write. Your last message was needlessly and antagonistically pedantic.

randomsurfer Since: Jan, 2001
2015-10-24 14:53:27

Well, looking at the Issue Helper options again it seems my memory of what they say was incorrect. It doesn't say go and fix it, it just says to take a look at (in this example) Example Indentation, for future reference I suppose.

But again, I think that all this should be spelled out in an Adminsitrivia page.

Edited by randomsurfer
BestOf MOD Since: Oct, 2010
2015-10-25 08:36:26

Wrm5: There's no need to be that antagonistic. You can't know for sure that My Final Edits didn't just respond to a possible misreading of your post and clarify it. The best reply from you would've been to just point out which possible reading of your post you meant.

Now, granted, in context I think it's almost certain that just about anyone would read the meaning you meant, but remember that this is a text-based communication format where tone doesn't always carry, and where many of the participants don't have English as their first language. If someone points out an ambiguity in your post they're probably trying to help, and the best way to respond is just to explain what you meant.

Edited by BestOf Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
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