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JapaneseTeeth Since: Jan, 2001
2015-07-20 09:55:18

As far as I know, that's kind of a gray area. The quotes namespace was originally created for quotes about tropes that already had page quotes. So when it comes to work pages, it's a bit ambiguous. The logical assumption is that it's for quotes from the works, but following the spirit in which the quote namespace was created implies that it would be for quotes about the work in question. I don't know if there's any official ruling on whether we should only do one or the other, or both.

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SolipSchism Since: Jun, 2014
2015-07-20 10:53:32

Ordinarily I wouldn't see it being an issue, but right now I'm looking at Quotes.The Room. I'm already iffy on the status of this whole work and its subpages, because a brief skim will make it clear that what we have on the film amounts to nonstop mocking—a lot of blurring the lines between the film and its Riff Trax, for one thing.

But the Quotes page in particular has five quotes, two of which are actually from the film (and which are infamous as some of the most ridiculous lines in the film), the other three of which are all from comedians or critics lambasting how terrible the film is.

I'll be the first to joyfully rant about how awful this movie is, but I'm not sure that's kosher on the main wiki's articles/subpages.

JapaneseTeeth Since: Jan, 2001
2015-07-20 11:27:12

Yeah, I'm not sure exactly how that should be handled.

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crazysamaritan MOD Since: Apr, 2010
2015-07-20 16:13:53

As a wiki we should treat The Room as respectfully as we would any other work.

We can also mock the film on the JustForFun.The Room subpage.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
freesefan Since: Jun, 2012
2015-07-20 18:24:00

How is this a gray area? Of course quote pages should only be for quotations from a work.

Candi Since: Aug, 2012
2015-07-20 22:50:07

Because sometimes quotes about a work are relevant or amusing.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
SolipSchism Since: Jun, 2014
2015-07-21 09:46:48

I feel like if the quote can be pulled from the physical copy of the work itself (say, on the dust jacket, or the DVD commentary, or the special features), then it's legit, as well as if it's Word of God or at least Word of Saint Paul, since those also come from official sources affiliated with the original work. But personally, I think anything further than Word of Saint Paul does not belong on a work's page or its Quotes subpage.

^^^ and ^^ basically sum up my feelings on the matter.

freesefan Since: Jun, 2012
2015-07-21 15:07:55

It doesn't matter whether quotes about a work are "relevant" or "amusing". They aren't from the work, so they shouldn't be on a Quotes page. The Quotes page for a work should be, you know, quotes from the work. This seems self-evident. The IMDB Quotes pages don't have Roger Ebert commentary.

Candi Since: Aug, 2012
2015-07-21 23:02:19

We aren't IMDB. Citing their policies isn't relevant.

A Hive Mind preference, as seems to be the case, for only work quotes is relevant.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
GnomeTitan Since: Aug, 2013
2015-07-22 02:04:12

The problem I can see with allowing quotes about the work, rather than from the work, is that it would be a veritable magnet for complaining. After all, many of the really memorable quotes about a work tend to be sarcastic comments from reviews.

I'm reminded of the old page quote (it was on the work page itself, not on the quotes page) for Space: 1999 where a U.S. judge included watching reruns of the show in a list of unusual forms of torture. Sure, it was a memorable and unique quote, but also an extreme form of Complaining About Shows You Dont Like. (The quote has since been removed, but it is referenced (not quoted) on the show's trivia page).

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MorningStar1337 Since: Nov, 2012
2015-07-22 02:47:18

BTW should we move all the Riff Trax quotes to a dedicated page?

SolipSchism Since: Jun, 2014
2015-07-22 09:16:51

^^ Frankly, quotes about a work from outside sources belong on Trivia more than anywhere else. I agree with what you're saying—the vast majority of quotes from outside sources are complaining or bashing.

^ I'm not signing up to do it, but I agree with the idea.

JapaneseTeeth Since: Jan, 2001
2015-07-23 05:43:52

Moving that stuff to trivia would probably be the best idea, short of getting rid of it entirely.

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