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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
2014-12-31 02:15:56

X Meets Y doesn't go on work pages, yes. A character acknowledging they are a YMMV trope makes it In-Universe. Complete Monster is a special case and you'll have to ask the Complete Monster Long Term Projects thread.

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wrm5 Since: Mar, 2014
2014-12-31 02:43:00

1. I had this issue before. X Meets Y is not actually a trope, it's a Just for Fun page. If it's invoked in-universe or by Word of God then you can list it on the trivia page, but that's it.

2. Complete Monster had a lot of misuse, so to prevent that all cases of Complete Monster have to go through the LTP thread for validation. Apparently this even counts if they're invoked.

RoseAndHeather (Edited uphill both ways)
2014-12-31 04:53:44

No, if it's invoked in-universe by a character, it can go on the main page. If it's invoked by Word of God, that's Trivia.

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Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
2014-12-31 05:51:29

To answer the second question, Complete Monster is specifically tailored to disallow Playing with a Trope due to the rampant past misuse. If it were invoked (as in a character who identifies themselves as really heinous and without redeeming traits), you're probably looking for either Card-Carrying Villain or I Am a Monster.

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Chabal2 Since: Jan, 2010
2015-01-01 00:44:52

Well, he has (some) redeeming traits that are very much outweighed by the others, a depressing backstory, and some Atoner traits... I'll just keep it in YMMV with "thinks of himself as one" once I'll make the page.

GnomeTitan Since: Aug, 2013
2015-01-01 00:48:08

If he thinks of himself as a CM it's not YMMV. YMMV is for audience reactions, i.e. when the audience thinks something about the character or show.

Edited by GnomeTitan
Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
2015-01-01 02:24:35

^^ Every new example has to go through the clean-up thread first, so please bring it up there before adding. If he feels genuine remorse for his crimes, he wouldn't qualify however. It does sound like I Am a Monster is the applicable trope here.

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
Chabal2 Since: Jan, 2010
2015-01-01 04:30:50

Here's the abridged quote:

"I am not a good man. I know this. I make no pretension about what I am or what I have done.

I am a monster. I am evil. When you look for the face of death, gaze upon me."

For context, the guy's a particularly brutal warlord who torches cities rather than conquer them, deems himself a coward ever since childhood, and this is said before he really gets into Atoner territory.I Am a Monster seems to be for those who turn into literal monsters.

Edited by Chabal2
Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
2015-01-01 11:11:46

If a character tries to atone for their crimes (which is a redeeming trait) at some point, they cannot be a CM by definition. Being consistently and remorselessly evil is required to qualify that trope. As for I Am a Monster, that may require more discussion on what that trope is, since it seems unnecessarily narrow if the original idea was that only literal monsters who regret their transformation could count (which is already covered by Tortured Monster and Tragic Monster); the usage on the page is much broader.

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2015-01-02 08:00:05

Question: Could we cut Main.X Meets Y to turn it into a redlink so people will stop linking it in trope lists? If people have to put in the Just for Fun/ namespace, they're more likely to realize it doesn't go on work pages.

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SolipSchism Since: Jun, 2014
2015-01-02 08:03:44

Here is why that's a tricky proposition. It would create 2,264 red links.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2015-01-02 11:38:12

Is that so bad, though? Each of those is probably misuse, and would expedite the cleanup process by gathering attention for it and prevent future misuse.

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
2015-01-02 12:09:12

A real page cut blanks the Related To tab and makes it impossible to clean the wicks. You'll need a fake redlink. One of the ideas in the page overhaul is to add a functionality to allow moderators to fake redlink an article.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2015-01-02 12:11:07

Ah. I didn't realize that. Then... yes, I support a fake redlink.

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SolipSchism Since: Jun, 2014
2015-01-05 10:45:39

^ and ^^: That would kill two birds with one stone, right? It would redlink the article to discourage any more links to it, but it would leave the Related To page intact so that a STP to clean the wicks would be feasible.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2015-01-06 10:29:30

Where would we formally request a page become a false redlink?

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2015-01-21 07:24:59

Dump.

EDIT: Errr... bump.

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
2015-01-21 07:45:41

Here. I'll relay the request.

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