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MagBas Since: Jun, 2009
2014-07-13 21:14:13

The description of the Trap Master example not mentions that the moves in question are entry hazards, the description of the No-Sell example not mentions that them are immune to Ground-type and, similar to the other two, the description of the Eyes Always Shut example not describes their appearance.

DrakeClawfang Since: Apr, 2010
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
2014-07-13 22:16:10

Not quite sure what's meant either but the Trap Master trope refers to Forretress & Ferrothorn as one due to learning all the "entry hazards" (trope page's words), or all but one in the latter case.

TotemicHero Since: Dec, 2009
2014-07-13 22:18:37

I think MagBas forgot a "does" or three in there. (As in, it should read "does not mention", instead of "not mentions".)

Regarding the question, the first and third cases do need to be rewritten to give a clearer indication of the game mechanics. (Assume the reader has never played Pokemon before.) The second one could stand to explain what the shut eyes tell us about the character's - Gulpin's - temperament and personality, although it isn't as big a problem as the other two.

Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
Candi Since: Aug, 2012
2014-07-13 23:47:46

The entries need to be written as though the person reading them as at best marginal knowledge of Pokemon (rare but possible :p ). So what they are needs to be concisely described; what the initial entries have is "this is this" without adding 'and it this is what it means'.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
2014-07-14 01:18:01

These examples are ZCE alright, not less because not everybody has an idea of what a Pokemon looks like. The example needs to explain how all these tropes apply.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
JapaneseTeeth Since: Jan, 2001
2014-07-14 07:45:07

That's true with Trap Master and No-Sell, but I'm not sure what you'd add to Eyes Always Shut without invoking Department of Redundancy Department. I mean, are we just supposed to have

Which is accurate, but I'm not sure how much it actually adds.

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
2014-07-14 07:53:51

Eyes Always Shut has a bit more to the trope - for example, that someone who fits the trope usually acts and behaves like they can still see. Also, the trope is used to indicate a wise character - does any of that happen here?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Iaculus Since: May, 2010
2014-07-14 08:01:18

Wise or untrustworthy, to be exact.

What's precedent ever done for us?
DrakeClawfang Since: Apr, 2010
2014-07-14 09:20:38

Well, as a Poison type Gulpin is certainly unpleasant. Though other instances of the trope on the page do not fit that definition then.

Also, the point about "not everyone knows what the Pokemon looks like" - all the pages have images of them, just saying.

What about this entry for Volbeat and Illumise?

Edited by DrakeClawfang
SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
2014-07-14 09:36:36

What is "human type egg group"?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
DrakeClawfang Since: Apr, 2010
2014-07-14 09:44:17

it's an egg group. Is that even relevant to the trope or not, I can't tell.

PDL (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2014-07-14 09:52:26

As far as I can tell, it isn't relevant at all. 2 feet tall is big for a bug, but what it can breed with has nothing to do with it.

crazysamaritan MOD Since: Apr, 2010
2014-07-14 10:16:17

" all the pages have images of them, just saying."


An image is not context. Please see The Appearance Cleanup Thread.

Paraphrased: Frequently this sort of trope will be named after the bit of appearance it's troping, but leave out the meaning of the characteristic. Just having blond hair isn't a trope. Appearance tropes are the most likely tropes to have no context associated with them. All Zero Context Examples are bad and are not allowed on wiki pages but they are a special sort of evil when it comes to appearance tropes as they further the idea that the appearance is the trope and not the meaning behind it. Report them here and the clean-up will be handled.

Edited by crazysamaritan Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Fighteer MOD (Time Abyss)
2014-07-14 11:13:01

There are a lot of shoehorns there. For example, No-Sell is not a Competitive Balance trope. Elemental Rock–Paper–Scissors is the proper usage; in that entry, explain the Pokemon's elemental strengths and weaknesses. Trap Master implies that their "kit" is based on traps, not that they have a single trap-type move.

Trap Master: "A character whose style of fighting isn't about hitting the opponent directly. This character far prefers arranging traps in such a way that, when the opponent arrives, he only has to let the victim act, or activate the traps with minimal effort, to utterly dominate said opponent."

Edited by Fighteer "It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
rexpensive Since: Feb, 2014
2014-07-15 13:40:54

Side note: If there does not appear to be anything to the trope aside from "character has x" it is possible the trope itself is broken. If it is an appearance trope than you can check the dedicated thread, otherwise it may be a TRS issue. If you are unsure trope talk might be able to help you out.

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