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Fighteer MOD (Time Abyss)
2014-04-16 15:50:19

We don't have an official media category for sports, aside from Pro Wrestling, because for the most part they lack a narrative that can have tropes. They're basically a form of Real Life.

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crazysamaritan MOD Since: Apr, 2010
2014-04-16 20:31:24

They should probably all go under Useful Notes, then, if they don't have a narrative.

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FastEddie MOD Since: Apr, 2004
2014-04-17 05:37:53

No. I think a race is analogous to a story. I can see having a Racing namespace.

Useful Notes is not a dumping ground for things we can't sort into other categories. It has our take on facts and how those facts impact storytelling.

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crazysamaritan MOD Since: Apr, 2010
2014-04-17 06:30:21

And also for Real Life things that impact storytelling, as we have many stories based on sports, including football, Baseball, Cricket, and Hunting.

I don't see a narrative in a sport. That was the basis of my opinion.

Edited by crazysamaritan Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Fighteer MOD (Time Abyss)
2014-04-17 06:32:44

Obviously the tropes associated with those sports heavily influence media; that's why we have them as tropes. But we don't need to be documenting the sports themselves; that's not our purpose. Recap.MLB 2014 Toronto Vs Baltimore Game 3... seriously?

Edited by Fighteer "It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
2014-04-17 06:53:13

I can see how you would qualify stuff like certain techniques and common occurrences in racing as tropes, following a "sport = gameplay" analogy. It's a bit hard to wrap your head around that, though.

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
2014-04-17 07:05:25

Yeah, so? "It's absurd" does not lead to "it's not tropable".

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Fighteer MOD (Time Abyss)
2014-04-17 07:14:26

Well, it is not tropable. Real life sports (that aren't performances, like pro wrestling) don't have narratives; hence they don't have tropes. Now, the media surrounding the sport does have narrative; we could hypothetically document ESPN Sports Center under Live-Action TV, for example, assuming someone wanted to go to the trouble. But the tropes would be limited to the "performance" of the show, not the real life people involved.

Edited by Fighteer "It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
2014-04-17 07:19:57

"Narrative" is not the same thing as "gameplay"; at least to my knowledge. These things certainly have "gameplay", that's for sure. And we do trope that.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2014-04-17 07:46:33

We trope gameplay in the sense that we'd trope rules for sports, but not individual events.

We trope gameplay choices that the designers actively put in. We don't, for example, trope professional gaming tournaments' gameplay as that's real life and not what we do.

Now, for something like NASCAR we could trope things like Competitive Balance, Obvious Rule Patch, and the like. Basically things that the guys who make the rules implemented in order to make the games more interesting. That would fall under TV Tropes' mission. But things like troping everything that happened during a game, or even a career? That's just troping real life.

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Fighteer MOD (Time Abyss)
2014-04-17 08:25:11

A Sports/ namespace would seem to be indicated for general stuff like that mentioned above.

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crazysamaritan MOD Since: Apr, 2010
2014-04-17 08:37:03

And Useful Notes "subpages" for the sports happening in fiction or references to sports heroes in fiction.

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