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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
2014-01-25 09:42:06

These subcategories are Names to Run Away from Really Fast's example lists, not subtropes. So the wicks should still be citing Names to Run Away from Really Fast.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
2014-01-25 11:24:21

Septimus is right. As a side note, I really don't like the formatting of that page. Where do we discuss merging it into a more typical medium assortment?

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
2014-01-25 11:53:09

That would be good, because the page as currently formatted made me think it was just a sub-trope list. My understanding is we link to the tropes, not the trope indexes, and I have seen examples being removed on those grounds. That's why I removed the example.

Reading the section on adding examples to this trope, the example I removed would need to be rewritten to justify why it's a scary name and why the character lives up to the scary name. At the moment, it's just a wordy Zero Context Example. That's easily done, however, as the character certainly can justify the significance of the name.

Edited by Wyldchyld If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
FastEddie MOD Since: Apr, 2004
2014-01-25 13:02:34

People have a tough time getting that indexes are tropes. Or they should be. The index should have text describing what principle the collection of sub-tropes (indexed items) is organized around. That organizational principle is a trope.

So, the statement "it is an index, not a trope" doesn't make sense.

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DracMonster Since: Jan, 2001
2014-01-25 14:19:29

^Well, ok, the lions share are not titled tropably, and many of them are just collections of tropes with one thing in common. You Would Not Want to Live in Dex would be misused on a works page, right?

I think a more correct summation is: All must become Super Tropes. No exceptions.

Right now just throwing any old index together is acceptable policy (they dont even need YKTTW), so that might need a review.

Edited by DracMonster
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
2014-01-25 15:24:26

Well, given the index pages I've seen, I'm not sure I understand how indexes are tropes. The indexes I'm used to seem to be nothing more than a page to help people locate a trope within a certain "theme". For example, Attraction Tropes ("attraction" being the theme, and all the links on the page being the actual tropes people can look through to find the attraction trope they need).

Now that I appreciate what King Zeal has pointed out about Names to Run Away from Really Fast, that seems very different to index pages of Attraction Tropes ilk. I can see that Names to Run Away from Really Fast would be a supertrope, but not Attraction Tropes. However, until King Zeal pointed out the difference, when I first read Names to Run Away from Really Fast, I did think it was of the same ilk as indexes likes Attraction Tropes.

Edited by Wyldchyld If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
FastEddie MOD Since: Apr, 2004
2014-01-25 15:48:45

There are some indexes that are formed on a bad premise. Like "Has the word banana in the title." I cutlist those when I come across them.

Attraction Tropes is a valid trope that does indexing. The name is not trope-like, I grant you, but it does provide a super-trope for tropes having to do with attraction. I think most of the indexes having that form (Something Tropes) could use a redirect of the (Something) part.

That is, Attraction Tropes should be usable as attraction.

Edited by FastEddie Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
DracMonster Since: Jan, 2001
2014-01-25 16:13:23

Eddie, in Administrivia.TV Tropes Customs, near the bottom:

"2. On the other hand, we like new tropes to go through YKTTW. Indices we're less worried about, although it's still a good idea to make sure it's not a duplicate and it gets as many appropriate tropes on it as possible."

You may wanna rewrite the second half of that guideline, so it sounds less like "Go ahead, Throw It In". If we want proper, useful indexes with suitable names, they probably should go through YKTTW.

Edited by DracMonster
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
2014-01-26 08:22:38

Okay, thanks for the clarification on that, Eddie. I'll bear that in mind for the future.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
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