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FastEddie MOD Since: Apr, 2004
2013-11-10 12:04:22

It's YMMV. Please do not delete other people's opinions.

Edited by FastEddie Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2013-11-10 12:12:47

Do you mean "do not delete other people's opinions"? I only ask because you've consistently said that instead and it might be a typo.

It's more the edit war that's the problem, not the opinion part.

Shadow?
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2013-11-10 12:13:03

Irene is correct. In Pokemon, the starters are the equivalent of being a main cast member. The point of Ensemble Dark Horse is that it's a relative unknown, a side-character, or some other non-important character that reaches popularity. In Pokemon's case, the starters and the box legendaries are definitely too main-stream to qualify for Ensemble Dark Horse.

I mean, I agree with the opinion of the other guy. He's right, Greninja is both awesome and probably the most popular fully-evolved starter... but he's also too major a character too qualify. Ditto Mega Charizard X, especially since Pokémon Origins was pretty much a two-hour lead up to his reveal.

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FastEddie MOD Since: Apr, 2004
2013-11-10 12:16:34

Typo fixed. Was the distinction pointed out to Darth Megatron?

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2013-11-10 12:22:53

When it was removed, the editor left a note. Darth Megatron's response's edit reason was clearly in response to the note.

I think he's just a bit confused as to what the trope is so a mod commenting on it would probably clear things up fine. To be honest, I don't blame him since Ensemble Dark Horse is often misused as "really popular character" with no regards to the other criteria, so from his perspective he'd think the guy who cut it was making up criteria.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2013-11-10 12:29:32

It was indeed pointed out.

Darth Megatron's entire reason is "he's popular, so it counts."

Unfortunately, that's not what the trope is about. Which is kind of where the issue is coming from.

I don't mind either way myself, but it was an edit war too, so... that shouldn't be happening, respectively.

Shadow?
shoboni Since: Oct, 2010
2013-11-10 17:58:45

I can't speak for the later gens because I haven't gotten into them yet, but I know I grew up on Pokemon Blue and the starters(Squrtle, Bulbasaur, and Charmander) are pretty major Pokemon in the franchise.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2013-11-10 18:04:35

I don't know if you're saying that in favor of Irene's statement, or Darth Megatron's.

No one's saying they're not major Pokemon. Just the opposite, really. They're pushed as major Pokemon from the getgo. Ensemble Dark Horse is supposed to be about something that isn't pushed as a major or important character but fans wound up liking anyway.

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shoboni Since: Oct, 2010
2013-11-10 18:40:39

I'm agreeing with you, and Irene.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2013-11-11 16:24:55

Ah, thanks for the clarification.

So... someone else went and readded both the other starters. Meaning now all three starters are listed as Ensemble Dark Horse, which is positively misuse.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2013-11-11 17:10:28

Who did? If it's a different person, we may need to lock the page or something. Misuse is getting ridiculous, and hopefully a PM to them can solve this issue. We shouldn't need to do anything beyond talking to them, of course.

Shadow?
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2013-11-11 17:38:24

Ninplanet123. I'd like to remove them, but it'd technically be an edit war at this point.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2013-11-11 17:41:40

Let's PM them both and try to talk about this. Do we know of any other misuse of the trope itself? If there's enough, we could go for a Project to fix them.(Long Term or Short Term, depending)

Shadow?
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2013-11-11 18:24:02

There is a topic on the Discussion page about Ensemble Dark Horse. I think we could safely pull with a note saying bring it to discussion, now that I think about it. Might be easier. I still would like a mod's approval on this, mind, but that seems safe enough. We could certainly repull the Finnekin and Chesnaut on the grounds of the Discussion page.

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