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wingedcatgirl MOD (Holding A Herring)
2024-11-29 13:01:01

I don't see any sign of a discussion on changing the trope definition having happened here. ~Emie K 88 also doesn't seem to be very active, so I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for them to explain themself.

I'd revert it.

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desdendelle (Sergeant)
2024-11-29 13:04:50

Looking at Straight Gay's page history, the original description was for both ("a homosexual character"), which was changed by Twiddler to refer specifically to gay men back in 2014, reverted by Discar the next day, then this was changed to "male or female character" as OP mentioned.

The Laconic's page history also shows that the trope was meant to be gender nonspecific and was made male-specific by MegaJ back in 2017 without an edit reason.

Looking at the (very old) TT and TRS threads, my best understanding is that Straight Gay is supposed to gender nonspecific and the description and Laconic changed/reverted accordingly.

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Amonimus (Sergeant)
2024-11-29 13:20:03

Unapproved changes to the description and laconic should be reverted.

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LendriMujina Since: Feb, 2022
2024-11-29 21:02:58

Regardless of questionable edit history, I think this is a textbook case where Tropes Are Flexible should apply. A "Straight Lesbian" TLP proposal would be called The Same, but More Specific in an instant.

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Bisected8 MOD (Primordial Chaos)
2024-11-30 08:43:12

Strictly speaking, Lipstick Lesbian is a specific way a sapphic woman presents, not necessarily just not looking stereotypically queer.

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Tylerbear12 Since: Apr, 2015
2025-01-25 11:39:46

So what should be done? Do I just revert the changes? Or...

GnomeTitan Since: Aug, 2013
2025-01-27 08:23:54

I can see no reason why Straight Gay couldn't apply to women as well.

The trope page actually mentions it being a Spear Counterpart ot Lipstick Lesbian, but says that this is "arguable".

From how I understand the tropes, it's not just arguable, but wrong: that a lesbian woman presents as feminine doesn't mean people who don't know her will think she's straight (which would be Straight Gay).

Edited by GnomeTitan
HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
2025-01-27 09:15:07

Yeah, I'd agree that Straight Gay should apply regardless of gender, and that Lipstick Lesbian is sufficiently distinct and not a counterpart.

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