Have a question about how the TVTropes wiki works? No one knows this community better than the people in it, so ask away! Ask the Tropers is the page you come to when you have a question burning in your brain and the support pages didn't help.
It's not for everything, though. For a list of all the resources for your questions, click here. You can also go to this Directory thread
for ongoing cleanup projects.
I don't see any sign of a discussion on changing the trope definition having happened here. ~Emie K 88 also doesn't seem to be very active, so I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for them to explain themself.
I'd revert it.
Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.Looking at Straight Gay's page history, the original description was for both ("a homosexual character"), which was changed by Twiddler
to refer specifically to gay men back in 2014, reverted by Discar
the next day, then this was changed to "male or female character" as OP mentioned.
The Laconic's page history also shows that the trope was meant to be gender nonspecific and was made male-specific by MegaJ back in 2017
without an edit reason.
Looking at the (very old) TT
and TRS
threads, my best understanding is that Straight Gay is supposed to gender nonspecific and the description and Laconic changed/reverted accordingly.
Unapproved changes to the description and laconic should be reverted.
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupRegardless of questionable edit history, I think this is a textbook case where Tropes Are Flexible should apply. A "Straight Lesbian" TLP proposal would be called The Same, but More Specific in an instant.
FWIW, we have Lipstick Lesbian, which seems to be the Distaff Counterpart to Straight Gay
Strictly speaking, Lipstick Lesbian is a specific way a sapphic woman presents, not necessarily just not looking stereotypically queer.
TV Tropes's No. 1 bread themed lesbian. she/her, fae/faerI can see no reason why Straight Gay couldn't apply to women as well.
The trope page actually mentions it being a Spear Counterpart ot Lipstick Lesbian, but says that this is "arguable".
From how I understand the tropes, it's not just arguable, but wrong: that a lesbian woman presents as feminine doesn't mean people who don't know her will think she's straight (which would be Straight Gay).
Edited by GnomeTitanYeah, I'd agree that Straight Gay should apply regardless of gender, and that Lipstick Lesbian is sufficiently distinct and not a counterpart.
Made a query about Straight Gay and Lipstick Lesbian in the Duplicate tropes discussion thread
.

On Characters.Celeste, there's a commented out note
added by scoooool with the following:
This states that Straight Gay only applies to gay men, which is also suggested by the laconic page.
A gay male with no stereotypical gay traits or mannerisms.
However, on the actual page itself, it makes it clear that Straight Gay applies to men and women, with the first paragraph being:
Originally treated as a subversion of the standard gay stereotypes, the Straight Gay is a homosexual male or female character who has no camp mannerisms, Butch Lesbian tendencies, or obviously "gay" affectations.
So which is it? Is Straight Gay supposed to be an Always Male trope or are women included as well?
It's worth noting that the addition of female characters/lesbians to the description was retroactively added
by Emie K 88 in 2023 with no edit reason.