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Amonimus (Sergeant)
2024-11-25 05:02:19

This edit. Don't know if ~OfAllTrade can use comments for this instead of brining it to a discussion, but ~AK47Productions definitely can't remove entries without a discussion.

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AK47Productions Since: Feb, 2013
2024-11-25 05:04:27

Totally fair, mea culpa. Gimmie a sec, I'll add it back in.

Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2024-11-25 06:35:25

Fanfic Recommendations does say you could post a review about a recommended fic, although I am not sure if that paragraph expected all fics to gave tvt pages to post the reviews on or if to append it to a recommendation. That comment is falling short of a review though, it just screams rage without actually explaining why. "This is Communist!" is an accusation that's been thrown around the internet at things with zero relation to anything actually Communist, and actual Communist/Socialist ideas also get called as if they are the actual literal opposite of what they stand for.

If you don't like the fic, ok, explain what's the problem with using actual contents, not buzzwords.

Edited by Adannor
OfAllTrades Since: Oct, 2014
2024-11-25 09:25:06

People deserve to know what they're getting into. That fic's ideological agenda (very much hard left) and hostility - I would actually say 'contempt' - for the source material was obvious from post one. "A Canon Defiling Hate Fic mixed with Communist agirprop" isn't a collection of buzzwords - it's a wholly accurate assessment. Do you need excerpts to support that? I can easily provide many.

"..filling in blank spaces in the worldbuilding and addressing certain concepts... that don't entirely hold up to scrutiny" is whitewashing.

Edited by OfAllTrades
wingedcatgirl MOD (Holding A Herring)
2024-11-25 10:41:33

A recommendation is a recommendation. You having a different opinion than the recommender is not cause to remove it.

I'm reasonably sure the comments field is supposed to be entirely depreciated by now, as much as that information doesn't seem to be filtering into the pages properly, so that's not an alternative.

There's supposed to be a reviews button for this, which there have been questions about the implementation of, but it does still work, so I put review buttons back on the page.

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
desdendelle (Sergeant)
2024-11-25 10:43:20

The fic may be a far left Author Tract (I don't know, I haven't read it) but I think that calling something agitprop is a mite not cautious and the comment can be phrased in a better way.

On empty crossroads, seek the eclipse -- for when Sol and Lua align, the lost shall find their way home.
2024-11-25 11:22:58

^ Agreed. I'm quite suspicious of accusations of "agitprop" due to current events, and I would argue that the unilaterally removed content is on the verge of a ROCEJ violation and (as you said) can be rephrased.

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Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2024-11-25 13:36:01

There is a ton of fics that are about telling all the ways the canon work is wrong. Its no reason to delete a rec. All I see from this is disagreement with the fic's author's opinions on the original and/or their political opinions whatever those may be.

Jhimmibhob Since: Dec, 2010
2024-11-25 14:15:46

Yeah. I'm pretty far to the right and it doesn't sound as if this fanfic would be my cup of tea ... but there's nothing in this guy's assessment—even if every word of it is true—that would be adequate reason for removing the recommendation.

Javertshark13 Since: Mar, 2011
2024-11-25 14:31:59

I'm not sure most would even know what "agitprop" is, I'm in my 30s and have never heard that word until today.

Amonimus (Sergeant)
2024-11-25 14:34:22

It's another word for Propaganda Piece, normally Soviet one

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OfAllTrades Since: Oct, 2014
2024-11-25 15:59:25

Indeed. I learned the phrase from a history book by Sean Mc Meekin titled Stalin's War.

The full quote: "There was no reason why any British leader needed to take seriously the Stalinist smear campaign against Mihailovic, the Chetniks, and British liaison officers. Such agitprop was the stock-in-trade of international Communism, taken at best with a grain of salt, at worst as pathological lying."

I'd say he encapsulated it pretty well.

TheMountainKing Since: Jul, 2016
2024-11-25 23:32:20

^ Unless you're saying you think this fanfic was produced by a communist organization as a piece of official messaging, the word “agitprop” is needlessly hyperbolic.

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