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MissConduct (Septatroper)
2024-07-28 08:44:41

There's also Podcast.Flagged For Content, which I think is just an advertising podcast for this company. Both pages were entirely written by the same troper.

BoltDMC Since: May, 2020
2024-07-28 08:45:04

It feels that way, have to admit, after looking at this page. They’re only marginally a creator, unless we’ve started troping the products of flag makers.

All the entries except a later typo correction are by a single troper, Alex Knight 002. They have a long track record of entries on various pages, so I doubt they’re a company employee, however.

I’m in favor of cutlisting this unless there’s a good reason not to.

cannen144 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2024-07-28 08:53:43

I remember this being discussed back in March, but I don't recall there being any sort of conclusive answer on how to address it.

MissConduct (Septatroper)
2024-07-28 09:04:02

I sent Flags For Good and its YMMV to the Cut List. There are times where we do trope the products a company sells (the Toys namespace and nowhere else, really, and that's because toylines can and often do have an associated, tropable story), but "flags" don't really have a tropable story to them. That and, even though it's probably not written by an employee, the page definitely has this tone of "This company is doing good and important things" when, like, they're just selling flags, it definitely feels like free advertising.

MissConduct (Septatroper)
2024-07-28 09:20:19

On further exploration, Alex Knight 002 seems to be responsible for most of the flags-centric pages on the site. As previously mentioned, Podcast.Flagged For Content appears to be the official podcast of the Flags For Good company, so it may not be tropable? I'm not sure on the rules about advertising podcasts. It does definitely feel like the work of one troper at least, especially with all of their biases getting front-row-seats on the YMMV page at least, like how the podcast's logo is Awesome Art.note 

There's also the Web Video series Flagsession and Flags in Focus, but these don't seem to be any company's podcast and thus are more valid and tropeworthy.

Edited by MissConduct
MissConduct (Septatroper)
2024-07-28 09:25:07

Oh, and hate to triple post, but I found the discussion from March here. As Cannen says, it seems to have stalled.

Also, as they're seemingly very involved, pinging ~Alex Knight 002.

GastonRabbit MOD (General of TV Troops)
2024-07-28 09:44:04

I cut and dewicked Advertising.Flags For Good, and yeah, the fact that the few other pages it was linked to on referred to it as a company does indicate that the Advertising/ namespace was being misused for hosting advertising when it's meant for describing advertising.

You can't just say "perchance".
MissConduct (Septatroper)
2024-07-28 10:20:47

Should Flagged for Content and related pages also be sent to the cutlist, on the grounds of also being advertising?

AlexKnight002 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2024-07-28 13:19:30

I only just saw this page. I am the creator of all of those pages. For Flags for Good, I primarily used the You Tube videos and Tik Toks released by Flags for Good as the basis. The podcast Flagged for Content is not an advertisement podcast for Flags for Good and is not an official podcast of the company, it is merely sponsored by FFG and isn’t any different from a You Tube video taking a sponsor. I am not affiliated with either, I am just a big fan of flags and the podcast. None of the other mentioned pages have anything to do with advertising.

AlexKnight002 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2024-07-28 13:22:07

I can understand cutting the Flags for Good page, but I don’t see any reason why the Flagged for Content page or any of the other flag pages need to be cut.

AlexKnight002 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2024-07-28 13:28:21

If I should make changes to any of the pages to fix any issues, let me know.

MissConduct (Septatroper)
2024-07-28 15:35:29

But it says right on the page that it's an official affiliate podcast.

Edited by MissConduct
AlexKnight002 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2024-07-28 15:57:36

It’s officially an affiliate of FFG, but it’s more than just the podcast of FFG. FFG is merely its sponsor, and it doesn't just exist to advertise. It’s primarily an edutainment podcast about flags. It’s an affiliate of FFG, but the host of the podcast isn’t even an employee of FFG. It didn’t even begin being sponsored by it until multiple episodes in. I don’t think it’s accurate to call the podcast advertising. Thus, I don’t see any reason why it should be cut, as a lot of other podcasts with sponsors have pages.

Edited by AlexKnight002
WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2024-07-28 16:15:29

Is it tropeworthy? We don't trope things that only discuss real world stuff without a creative spin.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
AlexKnight002 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2024-07-28 16:17:22

There is a creative spin, the podcast has a lot of humor and storytelling involved.

MissConduct (Septatroper)
2024-07-28 16:25:46

I've had a couple of episodes playing in the background all day and I think I can definitively say there's no storytelling involved at all. It's just the host and his guests talking about flags they like and don't like.

AlexKnight002 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2024-07-28 16:27:15

I don’t think that the page should be cut though, it still seems tropeworthy.

MissConduct (Septatroper)
2024-07-28 19:13:33

But it only discusses real world events without a creative spin, which War Jay says makes it a candidate for deletion.

WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2024-07-28 21:06:27

None of the tropes feel particularly creative as written

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
Amonimus (Sergeant)
2024-07-28 21:59:25

While I'm not convinced yet Podcast.Flagged For Content wouldn't count as Edutainment Show, half of the tropes there need to go. As FFC didn't invent real world flags, the "X Trope: Episode N featured a flag with X motif" examples aren't actually describing FFC's content.

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AlexKnight002 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2024-07-28 22:03:59

I can remove those tropes.

AlexKnight002 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2024-07-28 22:18:22

I removed any trope that refers to a specific flag rather than the content of FFC, although I might have missed something. I can make any other changes to the page if anything else needs improving.

MissConduct (Septatroper)
2024-07-29 20:56:07

I'm going to make the argument that they're really not edutainment - they're just the host and his guest talking about their opinions on flags, which teeters dangerously close to the "real world events without a creative spin" we said wasn't tropeworthy. To give a fictional example, a geology podcast wherein an Excited Kids' Show Host-type explains concepts like the differences between igneous, sedimentary, and metamorphic rocks with fun sketches and side characters, that's Edutainment. A podcast where two guys talk over Zoom about their personal favorite rocks is not Edutainment and it's not tropable.

Edited by MissConduct
AlexKnight002 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2024-07-30 07:49:40

Although part of the podcast is the hosts talking about what flags they like, there are definitely parts of the podcast that count as Edutainment, as many episodes talk about the history of flags, how flags are adopted, the symbolism of flags, and philosophies of flag design. Other parts of the podcast that would count as edutainment are the quiz show segments, and game shows are definitely tropeable. Some videos are specifically educational but have some humor involved, such as the shorter informational videos like "Flag Organizing Tips and Tricks", "How to Grommet Your Own Flags!", and "Flag Ironing Tips".

Amonimus (Sergeant)
2024-07-30 08:11:43

The two random videos I've seen (Colorado, Maine) is a guy going to locations and interviewing people related to the history, in the same style as Tom Scott. While "just talking and making jokes" may barely not pass the "transformative content" line, the on-screen effects and the presentation is generally what we mean as "transformative", meaning intentionally doing something with the content, instead of only expressing thoughts, so I can suggest thinking in that direction. If podcasts have quiz shows, then it's also in favor as Audience Participation.

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AlexKnight002 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2024-07-30 08:25:22

To add to the transformative content, Episode 30 is almost entirely a quiz show that includes skits and on-screen effects, the first World Vexillology Day Special is entirely made up of a skit, and some of the YouTube shorts are comedic edited together videos of out of context comedic moments.

MissConduct (Septatroper)
2024-07-30 08:35:22

All the episodes I watched just looked like scripted recordings of Zoom calls. It might just be a budget thing, maybe they wish they were more of an edutainment show, but right now it looks like they can't clear the bar of "presentation".

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