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WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2023-12-10 17:44:57

TBH, The fridge tropes have been confusing for a while since it's not ever been clear exactly how subjective it is. I'd remove it since it comes off as someone's own opinion of what Fridge Brilliance is for, when there's not actually a lot of understanding about the limits or lackthereof right now. (relevant discussion is relevant)

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SharkToast Since: Mar, 2013
2023-12-10 18:09:56

I do think there's a problem with people using Fridge Brilliance defensively. I've seen plenty of entries that go:

WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2023-12-10 18:14:05

That's natter though, and doesn't seem to be the same as normal fridge entries (do people even add these things anymore?)

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number9robotic (Experienced Trainee)
2023-12-10 18:52:55

^^ That reads as far more of a general Justifying Edit problem rather than something specific with Fridge tropes.

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Coachpill Since: Aug, 2022
2023-12-11 09:53:03

I'll likely get rid of the Fridge entry since from what I'm hearing there are multiple problems with the scope of it in general. (Which makes tons of sense now that I think about it; I was always kind of weary about the apparent lack of a need for other Fridge reactions like Hypocrisy or Sorrow).

What about the "trope" entry though? That entry sticks out more to me because maybe it could be re-written, but right now it just reads like irrational annoyance at the usage of a term that was going to evolve over time anyway.

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GnomeTitan Since: Aug, 2013
2023-12-14 10:32:51

I think the "trope" entry is outdated, since, as you write, it doesn't really reflect how the term is used today. We don't call trivia items "tropes", for example.

Zuxtron (On A Trope Odyssey)
2023-12-14 11:26:07

^ I still regularly see people and examples refer to "trivia tropes" and "YMMV tropes".

WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2023-12-14 11:28:43

I think they meant in terms of page type, as they no longer use "trope". As for the casual use of "trope" for non-trope items, that doesn't seem to be as serious as the entry makes it out to be. It's a lack of a better term, people rarely seem to believe that these concepts are genuine tropes.

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Coachpill Since: Aug, 2022
2023-12-14 11:50:02

^^ Yeah, I think they were echoing my first complaint (how the entry is written in the context of Trivia and AD's not being tropes, even though they used to be classified as such). The bigger gripe I have though is similar to what ^ mentioned (the word "trope" isn't always going to have the exact same definition as time goes on regardless of how people use it, so it comes off as whiny). Speaking of ^, the "lack of a better term" thing is another good point. I think based on the responses here to both of these I'll be comfortable with removing them.

One more question I have is whether I getting the gist of what Subjective Tropes now says? I assumed "YMMV tropes" is still unofficially-correct terminology so to speak, since the page implies all tropes are "categorized" based on objective with subjective examples or just purely objective, and that they're not immediately separate concepts.

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