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SoyValdo7 Since: Sep, 2022
2023-09-11 16:05:02

I think it's strictly for actors. Maybe you can try Shout-Out instead?

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Tropiarz Since: Sep, 2022
2023-09-11 16:26:14

But it's not a shout-out either - it's just a background event that might completely fly over audiences as a reference to anything. I was thinking about Mythology Gag initially, but that one is even less fitting.

BKelly95 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2023-09-11 16:42:22

Could it be that you stumbled upon an undiscovered trope?

Tropiarz Since: Sep, 2022
2023-09-11 22:26:16

"Creator self-references his prior work" doesn't sound like anything new

BlueGuy (Ten years in the joint)
2023-09-11 23:04:18

^ I've considered making a TLP for this exact thing before, since it doesn't neatly fit into any of the existing reference tropes. (Only issue was that I wasn't sure how broad the definition of "creator" should be.)

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Tropiarz Since: Sep, 2022
2023-09-11 23:11:15

As broad as possible, because the problem right now is that there is bunch of super-specific, super-niche tropes that define highly specific things, but "movie director references his previous work" suddenly draws a blank. Unless of course it's done as a specific type of a gag, then there is a trope for that.

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StFan Since: Jan, 2001
2023-09-12 06:30:44

It's a Shout-Out. As simple as that.

mightymewtron Since: Oct, 2012
2023-09-12 12:29:22

Sometimes Company Cross-References can work.

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Tropiarz Since: Sep, 2022
2023-09-12 12:57:49

Again, it's not a shout-out. It's just a background event that's going for few seconds and you would have to know the movie to even figure out what the hell they are screening. It's not referenced, brought up or anything like that. It's just there. Hence the question about Actor Allusion, because this is the sort of stuff I need, except it's only for actors.

Tabs MOD Since: Jan, 2001
2023-09-12 14:52:21

I think a Creator Self-Reference thing is worth a go on TLP. Subtrope of Shout-Out, sister trope of Actor Allusion, super- or sister trope of Company Cross-References.

Tropiarz Since: Sep, 2022
2023-09-12 15:37:41

... can't it be just Creator Allusion, rather than a myriad of job-specific sub-subtropes?

WarriorsGate (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2023-09-12 19:59:35

The trope you're looking for is Production Throwback.

A creator cannot Shout-Out themselves, so it would not be a Shout-Out.

Tropiarz Since: Sep, 2022
2023-09-12 21:52:57

Ha! I knew there just has to be a trope for this. Many, many thanks!

BlueGuy (Ten years in the joint)
2023-09-13 01:18:06

I honestly don't think Production Throwback quite fits the broader definition I was thinking of, though it does come close. The description says it specifically refers to "the reuse of characters or items from a previous work in Easter Egg cameos in a newer one," and a hypothetical "Creator Self-Reference" trope could encompass other references that aren't characters or objects.

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WarriorsGate (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2023-09-13 07:33:45

That's what I've been using, and moving inappropriate Shout Outs to. If anything it's the description that should be changed, since by definition any "creator self-reference" is a "production throwback."

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