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Ultimatum
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WarJay77
(Troper Knight)
2023-08-15 10:46:37
Or just ask the cleanup threads, like the hindsight cleanup
. I don't think this needs a whole individual discussion, we can just vet the specific examples.

So I noticed that after a long stint of being locked due to rampant vandalism, Kanye West pages have been unlocked, and I think now's a good a time as any to question: what's the degree to which discussion on Kanye's life should be mentioned before it becomes inherently uncivil? Normally I wouldn't question this at all because duh, no real-life troping, but Kanye West is in a bit of a unique situation since a heavily significant portion of his music is autobiographical, often addressing the controversies and scandals he's in as they were happening.
I was considering adding a Harsher in Hindsight entry about how much of his post-808s and Heartbreak music being marked by his self-confessed emotional and mental collapse seems especially uncomfortable after 2022, where by all accounts (from tabloid drama to his actual new music) indicates he's pretty much gone off the rails. For specificity's sake (as well as focusing primarily on the music as an axis of discussion), the 2018 album ye entirely hinges around his anxieties following his then-recent diagnosis with bipolar disorder (as just one bit from that album, "Yikes" expresses worry that he won't be able to control himself in another public controversy) and trying to find peace for the future, which seems especially depressing since nowadays he's proudly refusing his meds and doing far grosser and more irresponsible things that have really wrecked his mainstream profile, as well as making music where he's continuing his autobiographical slant by espousing his conspiracy theory mindset and disturbingly violent and hateful thoughts. Even if not just documenting that comprehensively, there's some individual moments like in 2007's "Flashing Lights" with the line "I hate these [n-word] more than a [naz-word]" that are wince-inducing now in their own right.
If it comes down to it, I'm ok with simply not writing anything down addressing the elephant in the room, because while I trust in my ability to document it as civilly as possible, I don't want to enable the floodgates for more vandalism regarding his behavior and stinking up the pages again. In general, I'm wondering what the stance is on regarding the limits to how much his personal history is allowed to matter when it comes to his art, because the things I think are most controversial about him sadly do occupy a gray space thanks to Kanye's approach as both "provider of art" and "himself a living artpiece". Any specific thoughts on what's okay or not okay to talk about?
Edited by number9robotic