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The Aliens example is still ZCE because it doesn't actually tell what's happening in the scene. If you didn't know it's from Five-Finger Fillet page, the information would be as good as useless (and still is).
Edited by Amonimus TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupYeah, ZCE is not "no text whatsoever". That's still lacking in any useful context.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallFive-Finger Fillet is on the TRS Queue for ZCE problems — Crossover-Enthusiast queued it up. TBH when the thread launches I was planning to call for cutting and yarding due to the extremely low number of examples with context, but I'll save that for the TRS thread.
Works That Require Cleanup Of Complaining | Troper WallYeah, I was the one who commented the examples out — "character does this" is not adequate context, especially for a trope as simple as "Jane stabbed a knife between her fingers to show how tough she is". If far less examples are visible because of context issues, then that shows a clear problem with the trope.
Jawbreakers on sale for 99¢I didn’t say it was the trope’s problem.
I said that there aren’t enough examples with context to keep as is.
EDIT: Thought it over some more and I’m not fond of my original argument. I’ll refrain from commenting until the TRS.
Edited by themayorofsimpleton Works That Require Cleanup Of Complaining | Troper WallUm, Crossover-Enthusiast? You forgot to make up an OP for the thread and post that on the queue sandbox. It's number 80 on the list as of this post, so it'll be a while before it goes live, but it still needs a post actually explaining the issues with the trope for its thread.
Until next time...
Anon e Mouse Jr.
If you're responding directly to one of my posts, please ping me to make sure I see it.This is probably out of scope for this question but the ZCE rules as is make sense for when the trope list on a work page.
But when the example is on the tropes' page when if you're wondering what the trope is... scroll up and read the description. Five finger fillet doesn't need to be given full context every time because the context is above.
It does need to because the context is the example itself, and yes arguing against ZCE policy is for Wiki Talk.
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupThat's incorrect. Examples need full context regardless of where they are. Word Cruft like "X does this" isn't acceptable anywhere.
Anyway, as mentioned, ZCE policy discussion is a matter for Wiki Talk and this specific trope is already being taken to TRS, so locking.
Edited by GastonRabbit I got a rock for Halloween.

On the page for Five-Finger Fillet, almost every example was and marked as a Zero Context Example and commented out. And I mean, there are about four times more examples that have been commented out when compared to those that have been left. Now, I'm sure there are some real Zero Context Examples in there, but even things that are a couple of lines long have been commented out. An example that was commented out:
- Aliens: Bishop does this with his hand over Hudson's to demonstrate his superhuman reflexes.
Leads to his Robotic Reveal. And was done for real by Lance Henriksen, meaning the Establishing Character Moment for Hudson is Bill Paxton actually screaming his lungs out.
Edited by WillKeaton