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Amonimus (Sergeant)
2023-08-03 14:07:11

As the example says, it's the other way around. Japanese audience hates the meme, but the movie isn't even out there and nobody talked about it as far I know.

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number9robotic (Experienced Trainee)
2023-08-03 14:16:38

I understand that the coverage is based around the narrative that Japanese audiences aren't amused with the meme, I'm asking if that's a worthy enough topic to actually cover in the YMMV page for the film, even if it's technically not released yet in Japan? I just wanna be clear on whether to cut or keep because Barbie's YMMV page similarly got into some issues of bringing up the meme and I'm worried that how I handled it came off as edit-warring, so I wanna be more decisive on how to best handle this.

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miraculous (Apprentice)
2023-08-03 14:26:41

Though cut Misblamed at least. It doesn't have anything to do with anyone producing the film

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NoUsername Since: May, 2012
2023-08-03 14:36:34

cut misblamed, yes. the issue that japanese people have with barbenheimer seems to involve how the phenomenon evolved from "these starkly different movies come out on the same day" (basically harmless) to memes and remixes that combine the aesthetic of the two films and make light of the bombings (i.e. the old page images on Memes.Barbie 2023 and Memes.Oppenheimer, obviously in bad taste). since barbie and oppenheimer didn't come out on the same day in japan, the only context they got was the memes. in that sense i think it's very understandable and shouldn't count as a case of misblamed even if it weren't an audience reaction specifically

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number9robotic (Experienced Trainee)
2023-08-03 14:49:55

Sounds about right, will cut Mis-blamed and redirect to this thread to continue discussing what to do about the Americans Hate Tingle entry.

Is it perhaps too early to really call an actual Japanese audience consensus to document on the wiki, and we should wait for the film to release there? Or should it stay on virtue of it being a potent-enough culture-based animosity to a certain aspect of the film? Barbenheimer isn't part of the film itself, but the memes might be affecting its reputation; I just don't know if that's enough to count it for Americans Hate Tingle.

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lapistier Since: Sep, 2015
2023-08-03 15:10:24

From what I understand the controversy was also fuelled by the Barbie movie Twitter basically endorsing these memes by retweeting/replying to them. The JP Warner Bros branch apologised and criticised the Twitter page for doing that, and Warner Brothers US eventually apologised in a Deadline article. (Yahoo news article recap here)

I'm not sure if marketing for a media counts as being part of the work reception, but though the memes are pretty insensitive, most of the outrage came from the official account acknowledging and riffing off of them. I think maybe in six months it could qualify for Overshadowed by Controversy (for Japanese audiences) but we'd have to see.

number9robotic (Experienced Trainee)
2023-08-03 15:21:52

^ Nada, it's undergoing TRS discussion to be specified into Misaimed Merchandising, which doesn't cover this sort of social media-based marketing (I don't believe it would have fit in the "old" definition either).

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Amonimus (Sergeant)
2023-08-03 15:22:51

Right.

Well I guess it can be removed and a comment left there to wait further development after the film is released there.

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