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WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2023-07-26 16:01:25

The only things that go in YMMV are tropes on the YMMV or Audience Reactions index. Broken Aesop is not YMMV (yet), but the others are, so idk what that's about

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Vilui Since: May, 2009
2023-07-26 16:05:27

YMMV items, such as Designated Villain, have banners at the top of their pages saying that they are based on opinion and therefore go on YMMV pages.

iamconstantine Since: Aug, 2014
2023-07-26 16:29:46

The Designated Hero and Unintentionally Unsympathetic entries have been brought up in cleanup threads. If you or others would like to argue for their inclusion, the case can be made in those threads.

emeriin Since: Jan, 2001
2023-07-26 16:31:06

But they have to be within reason and paying attention to the movie? Barbie was so sympathetic to men under patriarchy and detailing that pipeline from Dogged Nice Guy to incel, acting like actually the Kens were 100% victims is just not paying attention.

WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2023-07-26 17:09:57

Well yeah, if they were misuse that's different. I can't look at the page yet due to spoilers (it's been making traversing many of these pages and threads very hard lol) but the OP implied that they were removed for "not being YMMV", which is bizarre if true.

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Arctimon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2023-07-26 18:01:44

It was my understanding that YMMV was a place for subjective opinions within reason,

Reminder that we don't document every single opinion about the movie (or any piece of media for that matter). Otherwise, we'd be drowning in YMMV. It still has to be shared by more than just one person. Most also have objective criteria they have to meet in order to count.

And yes, Broken Aesop and Tragic Villain were the only things that were removed that are not YMMV. The others, as constantine noted, were removed because they were brought to their clean-up threads and deemed not to be examples.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
2023-07-27 07:24:37

Yeah, OP is... kinda lying.

Looking at the history, the problem with most of these entries wasn't "not YMMV" so much as "not accurate."

The entries kinda ignored the actually villainous actions taken." The writeups largely were "the villain sure was relatable. No comment on whether they committed any villainous acts or not."

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WonderfulNonsense Since: Oct, 2017
2023-07-27 09:03:08

I resent being called a liar.

The submissions are removed with the reason that they are not YMMV tropes, if a reason is given at all, and others just disagree with the points made. These are not always stated on that page but are talked about in the relating threads.

In my submissions I tried to give mention to the various side's actions as at least being morally debatable—which was my understanding of what YMMV is; subjective views.

This is turning into whether we can post these views/interpretations, perhaps with acknowledgement that not everyone agrees, as much as if they are what happened or not.

Isn't YMMV for subjective tropes rather than objective?

Bullman Since: Jun, 2018
2023-07-27 09:19:39

Isn't YMMV for subjective tropes rather than objective?

Again I am out of this debate but YMMV tropes still havs objective rules.

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miraculous (Apprentice)
2023-07-27 09:20:36

"In my submissions I tried to give mention to the various side's actions as at least being morally debatable".

Ngl that's a weird statemnt with the brainwashing being underplayed here. With the "morally debatable"....

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WonderfulNonsense Since: Oct, 2017
2023-07-27 09:51:00

When I said morally debatable I was talking more about the Barbie's actions.

I misspoke and I admit it.

I have spoke on other threads about how, in my mileage, the brainwashing is ambiguous and we mostly have the Barbie's word for it.

STARCRUSHER99 (Captain)
2023-07-27 10:17:16

This is turning into whether we can post these views/interpretations, perhaps with acknowledgement that not everyone agrees, as much as if they are what happened or not.

Well, no. I haven't participated in any of this but it looks like this isn't about whether or not certain views can be posted, it's about whether certain views are actually backed up by facts from the movie, and if they're not then they're misuse and shouldn't be added.

Mrph1 MOD (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2023-07-27 16:10:10

We get a whole montage of various Barbies being rescued and then snapped out of their brainwashed state. Personally, I didn't see that as very ambiguous.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
2023-07-27 17:03:23

"taking their word for it" simply does not match with what is shown in the movie.

Just because they were happy with their brainwashing doesn't mean it isn't still a coercive and controlling force.

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